0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,630 RC BOM 1977-04-25 Go to the Dogs or the Gita 1 00:00:01,631 --> 00:00:03,917 ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation, 2 00:00:03,918 --> 00:00:09,526 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, 3 00:00:09,527 --> 00:00:19,089 recorded on April 25th, 1977, in Bombay, India. 4 00:00:19,090 --> 00:00:23,022 PRABHUPADA: But so far the young boys who were there, 5 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:26,814 they were very much impressed. 6 00:00:26,815 --> 00:00:30,874 TAMALA KRSNA: But they won’t change their lives, I’m sure of it. They… 7 00:00:30,875 --> 00:00:34,949 Why not? 8 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:39,446 They’re impressed to the point of hearing, let’s say, yes. 9 00:00:39,447 --> 00:00:42,582 They hear more, they’ll change. 10 00:00:42,583 --> 00:00:48,665 Yeah; it’s just that I… You know, from our experience here in India, 11 00:00:48,666 --> 00:00:54,280 practically the only place that we’ve made devotees regularly is in Bengal. 12 00:00:54,281 --> 00:00:58,834 Other than there, we have not been able to make people give up their ways. 13 00:00:58,835 --> 00:01:02,104 Why don’t you say that, “We could not preach?” 14 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:04,588 Yeah, it’s our own fault. 15 00:01:04,589 --> 00:01:09,102 Why do [you] blame the other party? 16 00:01:09,103 --> 00:01:15,624 Yes, it’s our own fault. 17 00:01:15,625 --> 00:01:21,139 It is preaching. 18 00:01:21,140 --> 00:01:26,108 Preaching means to make Jagai-Madhai a devotee. 19 00:01:26,109 --> 00:01:28,304 That is preaching. 20 00:01:28,305 --> 00:01:42,728 Simply talking big, big words… Now the… 21 00:01:42,729 --> 00:01:52,980 We can see practically how the system of civilization is bad, 22 00:01:52,981 --> 00:02:06,703 that this Indira Gandhi, raksasi, she became exalted in the topmost rank, 23 00:02:06,704 --> 00:02:12,473 and she thought… 24 00:02:12,474 --> 00:02:31,355 A person who is equally good or more than her, he was imprisoned. 25 00:02:31,356 --> 00:02:34,309 Then how the system is bad, 26 00:02:34,310 --> 00:02:45,056 that a rogue comes to the topmost post and a good man is put into the prison? 27 00:02:45,057 --> 00:02:55,281 Is not the system defective? 28 00:02:55,282 --> 00:02:58,590 Imperfect? 29 00:02:58,591 --> 00:03:03,539 Some way or other, you can become very important, 30 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:09,090 and the actually important man you can cut down. 31 00:03:09,091 --> 00:03:13,290 Envious system. 32 00:03:13,291 --> 00:03:15,691 Animal. 33 00:03:15,692 --> 00:03:18,200 Animals are envious also. 34 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:24,537 Enviousness is everywhere. 35 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:34,603 So the whole civilization is so defective. 36 00:03:34,604 --> 00:03:41,365 Somehow or other, you come to the power, and you do whatever you like, 37 00:03:41,366 --> 00:03:51,371 and the people in general will have to depend on such leaders for their welfare. 38 00:03:51,372 --> 00:03:55,626 How they can be happy? 39 00:03:55,627 --> 00:04:03,833 If the whole system is defective, how they can be happy? 40 00:04:03,834 --> 00:04:07,858 The same man, in one day he’s very important, 41 00:04:07,859 --> 00:04:20,785 in the next day he’s the most degraded. 42 00:04:20,786 --> 00:04:29,166 And the most degraded man, 43 00:04:29,167 --> 00:04:41,001 previously he was praised by millions of people and next day he’s condemned. 44 00:04:41,002 --> 00:04:50,014 That means who elevated her to the post, they’re all rascals. 45 00:04:50,015 --> 00:04:54,525 śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [SB 2.3.19] 46 00:04:54,526 --> 00:05:04,564 So what is the value of such election, and what is the value of such important men? 47 00:05:04,565 --> 00:05:04,566 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com