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RC COL 1969-05-10 Follow Christ or Buddha or Krishna --etc
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ANNOUNCER: Next
is a conversation,
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with with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on May 10th,
1969, in Columbus, Ohio.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Material consciousness
means thinking falsely independent.
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That is material consciousness.
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Falsely.
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He is not independent, but he is
thinking falsely, “I am [independent].”
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This is māyā.
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Just like in dream he is falsely
thinking there is a tiger.
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There is no tiger, but he is actuated by this
false impression, “Oh, tiger is eating me.
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It has attacked me.
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Save me.”
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So this material existence
means because he is insane,
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he is thinking there
are so many problems:
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“The tiger is there; he is attacking me; this,
that, or so many enemies, friends also…,”
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Creating so many things.
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But they’re all false.
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But he is attacked by that
false hallucination; that’s all.
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This is māyā.
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Everyone is thinking, “Oh, there are
so many problems I have to solve.
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I have to make this, make
that, this, so many.”
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But he has no problem.
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He has no problem.
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His only problem is to…
how to accept Kṛṣṇa.
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That’s all.
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And Kṛṣṇa is so kind.
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He says, “Yes, you accept Me; simply
chant Kṛṣṇa; I am yours; that’s all.”
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But my… I am so misfortunate
that I cannot chant even.
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All problems solved
simply by chanting Kṛṣṇa.
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Etādṛśī tava kṛpā bhagavān [Cc. Antya
20.16]; Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches this:
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“So, Kṛṣṇa, You are so kind
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that You have come to Me in the
sound vibration—word, ‘Kṛṣṇa.’
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I can very easily chant,
and You remain with Me,
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but I am so misfortunate that I
have no attraction even for this.”
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You say people, “You chant Kṛṣṇa; you
get everything;” they will not believe it.
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If you say, “You press your nose; you
pay me fifty dollars; I’ll give some you
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nice mantra and this, that;
you’ll make your head like this,
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leg like this,” “Oh,” he’ll
say, “here is something.”
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Something.
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“And this Swamiji says, ‘Simply
chant Kṛṣṇa;’ oh, what is this?”
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Therefore Caitanya
Mahaprabhu said,
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etādṛśī tava kṛpā bhagavān mamāpi
durdaivam…
[Cc. Antya 20.16]:
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“But I am so unfortunate that You have
become so easily available in this age,
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but I am so unfortunate,
I cannot accept it.”
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The Kṛṣṇa consciousness
so easily being distributed,
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but they are so unfortunate,
they cannot accept.
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Just see.
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And you give them bluff; you cheat
them; they will, “Ah, yes, welcome; yes.”
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They welcome it.
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And cheaters are always ready: “Oh, there
are so many customers for being cheated.
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Let me take advantage of it.”
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So my Guru Mahārāja used to say,
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“This world is the society
of cheaters and cheated.”
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The members are [somebody] are
cheating, and somebody are cheated.
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The association of
cheaters and cheated.
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So we want to save them from this
society of cheaters and cheated.
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JANĀRDANA: Prabhupāda, often when
we’ll be performing, doing something…
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some activity in the a… during our day,
and so many things will go wrong,
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and we become frustrated…
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Well, when one is a professional,
there may be something wrong.
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That doesn’t matter, but you try
to discharge your duties, rightly:
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Whatever you are
prescribed to do.
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Then everything will
come to the right point.
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Yours only business is to follow the
four principles of regulative way… life
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and chant Hare
Kṛṣṇa sixteen rounds.
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So there may be
sometimes mistake.
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That will be corrected automatically.
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Because we are coming from a
different platform, so it may be.
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And that is also said in the Bha…: Api cet
su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk,
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sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ
[Bg. 9.30]
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“If one is found doing mistake
or doing something wrong,
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but because he is sticking to this principle
of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is sādhu.”
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Sādhu means a holy man.
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He is holy.
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He is not doing any
wrong consciously.
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But due to habit…
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Suppose just like: Most
of you… your… ah…
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In your former life, you were
smoking or taking intoxication.
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But by some influence, if you sometimes
take to it, yes, if you are conscious,
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“Oh, I have done wrong,” but that is
excused if you have done unconscious.
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But if you think that “Now
I am Kṛṣṇa conscious.
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Whatever I do, it is
right,” then it is great sin.
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But accidentally it
happens: That is excused.
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Never mind.
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So accidental mistake…
mistake is not dangerous.
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Willful mistake is dangerous.
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That we should be careful.
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We should be very careful always
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so that accidental mistakes
also may not take place,
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but if it takes place, it is excused.
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GUEST: Can haṭha-yoga hinder or
help Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or is it…?
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- Hinder.
- Hinder.
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Yes, because it is useless,
simply wasting time.
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You cannot perform
haṭha-yoga in this age.
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You do not follow the
rules and regulations.
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You are simply bluffed.
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Do you know what is the rules and
regulations of haṭha-yoga factually?
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- Not actually.
- Yes.
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You have to select
a secluded place.
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Haṭha-yoga is not practiced
in assembly of so many men.
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Just you go to a haṭha-yoga class.
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There are hundreds of members
practicing, and he is collecting money:
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Five dollars per seat, and you
are thinking, “I am practicing.”
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That is useless waste
of time and money.
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Haṭha-yoga is not practiced in that way;
you have to practice in a secluded place:
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Alone.
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Do you do that?
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Yes, not… No, I guess I don’t.
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It is very difficult in this age.
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Then you have to restrain
yourself in so many things.
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Complete free from sex life.
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You have to eat under certain direction,
you have to… So many things there are.
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These rules are not followed.
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Simply they have got some
bodily gymnastic sitting posture.
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They are thinking,
“I am practicing.”
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No.
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That is one of the items.
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So all the items cannot
be observed in this age.
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Therefore it is wasting. [Break]
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“…who always abides
in Me with great faith,
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worshiping Me in
transcendental loving service
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is most intimately united with Me
in yoga and is the highest of all.”
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This is the goal of yoga practice.
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So, that is possible very easily by this
movement: Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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Not by any other process.
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And the ultimate goal is here.
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One should be always abiding
with God, worshiping Him,
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[transcendental] loving…
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transcendental service, and
intimately united with Him.
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Intimately.
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This intimate unit… unity means
that five kinds of relationship.
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That is the perfection of yoga.
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This is the…
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When Kṛṣṇa has advised yoga
practice: Sāṅkhya-yoga…
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You have Bhagavad-gītā?
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There is sāṅkhya-yoga.
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You’ll find in the
forty-seventh verse.
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This is the version.
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There’s… There’s no value in keeping
the body fit through exercise?
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Huh?
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There’s no value in keeping
the body fit through exercise?
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Yes, you can become very healthy.
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But does it mean that he…
healthy [is] the perfection of life?
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Do you mean to say healthy life: You
will not die—will not change his body?
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So health is required, but health
is not the ultimate goal of life.
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Ultimate goal of life is here.
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GUEST (2): [indistinct] Buddha
taught very similar things
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to what the Gītā
taught also, didn’t he?
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Are there agreeances there?
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In agreement in certain places with what
Buddha taught and what the Gītā teaches?
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Do you follow the Buddha?
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Ah… No.
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A simple talk of him?
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To practice Buddha you have
[to] appreciate him. [splice]
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“Jack of all trade; master of none.”
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That is not good.
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Be master of something.
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It doesn’t differ.
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Either you follow Lord Jesus Christ or Lord
Buddha or Kṛṣṇa: It doesn’t matter much.
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But do it perfectly.
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That is our request.
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