0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,334 RC COL 1969-05-10 Follow Christ or Buddha or Krishna --etc 1 00:00:01,335 --> 00:00:02,914 ANNOUNCER: Next is a conversation, 2 00:00:02,915 --> 00:00:08,329 with with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:16,390 recorded on May 10th, 1969, in Columbus, Ohio. 4 00:00:16,391 --> 00:00:21,971 PRABHUPĀDA: Material consciousness means thinking falsely independent. 5 00:00:21,972 --> 00:00:30,946 That is material consciousness. 6 00:00:30,947 --> 00:00:32,188 Falsely. 7 00:00:32,189 --> 00:00:36,767 He is not independent, but he is thinking falsely, “I am [independent].” 8 00:00:36,768 --> 00:00:41,380 This is māyā. 9 00:00:41,381 --> 00:00:49,357 Just like in dream he is falsely thinking there is a tiger. 10 00:00:49,358 --> 00:00:54,863 There is no tiger, but he is actuated by this false impression, “Oh, tiger is eating me. 11 00:00:54,864 --> 00:00:56,430 It has attacked me. 12 00:00:56,431 --> 00:00:57,621 Save me.” 13 00:00:57,622 --> 00:01:02,400 So this material existence means because he is insane, 14 00:01:02,401 --> 00:01:06,221 he is thinking there are so many problems: 15 00:01:06,222 --> 00:01:10,756 “The tiger is there; he is attacking me; this, that, or so many enemies, friends also…,” 16 00:01:10,757 --> 00:01:13,870 Creating so many things. 17 00:01:13,871 --> 00:01:16,302 But they’re all false. 18 00:01:16,303 --> 00:01:21,448 But he is attacked by that false hallucination; that’s all. 19 00:01:21,449 --> 00:01:24,098 This is māyā. 20 00:01:24,099 --> 00:01:28,605 Everyone is thinking, “Oh, there are so many problems I have to solve. 21 00:01:28,606 --> 00:01:32,210 I have to make this, make that, this, so many.” 22 00:01:32,211 --> 00:01:37,751 But he has no problem. 23 00:01:37,752 --> 00:01:39,099 He has no problem. 24 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:44,310 His only problem is to… how to accept Kṛṣṇa. 25 00:01:44,311 --> 00:01:48,562 That’s all. 26 00:01:48,563 --> 00:01:50,747 And Kṛṣṇa is so kind. 27 00:01:50,748 --> 00:01:59,607 He says, “Yes, you accept Me; simply chant Kṛṣṇa; I am yours; that’s all.” 28 00:01:59,608 --> 00:02:07,018 But my… I am so misfortunate that I cannot chant even. 29 00:02:07,019 --> 00:02:17,659 All problems solved simply by chanting Kṛṣṇa. 30 00:02:17,660 --> 00:02:21,143 Etādṛśī tava kṛpā bhagavān [Cc. Antya 20.16]; Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches this: 31 00:02:21,144 --> 00:02:24,548 “So, Kṛṣṇa, You are so kind 32 00:02:24,549 --> 00:02:29,974 that You have come to Me in the sound vibration—word, ‘Kṛṣṇa.’ 33 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:32,878 I can very easily chant, and You remain with Me, 34 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:40,120 but I am so misfortunate that I have no attraction even for this.” 35 00:02:40,121 --> 00:02:46,127 You say people, “You chant Kṛṣṇa; you get everything;” they will not believe it. 36 00:02:46,128 --> 00:02:50,475 If you say, “You press your nose; you pay me fifty dollars; I’ll give some you 37 00:02:50,476 --> 00:02:55,233 nice mantra and this, that; you’ll make your head like this, 38 00:02:55,234 --> 00:02:59,395 leg like this,” “Oh,” he’ll say, “here is something.” 39 00:02:59,396 --> 00:03:00,910 Something. 40 00:03:00,911 --> 00:03:07,304 “And this Swamiji says, ‘Simply chant Kṛṣṇa;’ oh, what is this?” 41 00:03:07,305 --> 00:03:08,603 Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, 42 00:03:08,604 --> 00:03:13,359 etādṛśī tava kṛpā bhagavān mamāpi durdaivam… [Cc. Antya 20.16]: 43 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,392 “But I am so unfortunate that You have become so easily available in this age, 44 00:03:18,393 --> 00:03:25,707 but I am so unfortunate, I cannot accept it.” 45 00:03:25,708 --> 00:03:28,530 The Kṛṣṇa consciousness so easily being distributed, 46 00:03:28,531 --> 00:03:34,687 but they are so unfortunate, they cannot accept. 47 00:03:34,688 --> 00:03:37,392 Just see. 48 00:03:37,393 --> 00:03:45,590 And you give them bluff; you cheat them; they will, “Ah, yes, welcome; yes.” 49 00:03:45,591 --> 00:03:48,610 They welcome it. 50 00:03:48,611 --> 00:03:54,051 And cheaters are always ready: “Oh, there are so many customers for being cheated. 51 00:03:54,052 --> 00:03:59,295 Let me take advantage of it.” 52 00:03:59,296 --> 00:04:00,855 So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, 53 00:04:00,856 --> 00:04:06,388 “This world is the society of cheaters and cheated.” 54 00:04:06,389 --> 00:04:10,668 The members are [somebody] are cheating, and somebody are cheated. 55 00:04:10,669 --> 00:04:17,224 The association of cheaters and cheated. 56 00:04:17,225 --> 00:04:50,537 So we want to save them from this society of cheaters and cheated. 57 00:04:50,538 --> 00:04:56,012 JANĀRDANA: Prabhupāda, often when we’ll be performing, doing something… 58 00:04:56,013 --> 00:05:05,365 some activity in the a… during our day, and so many things will go wrong, 59 00:05:05,366 --> 00:05:07,501 and we become frustrated… 60 00:05:07,502 --> 00:05:11,882 Well, when one is a professional, there may be something wrong. 61 00:05:11,883 --> 00:05:16,997 That doesn’t matter, but you try to discharge your duties, rightly: 62 00:05:16,998 --> 00:05:20,549 Whatever you are prescribed to do. 63 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:23,069 Then everything will come to the right point. 64 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:32,409 Yours only business is to follow the four principles of regulative way… life 65 00:05:32,410 --> 00:05:34,753 and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa sixteen rounds. 66 00:05:34,754 --> 00:05:37,839 So there may be sometimes mistake. 67 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,915 That will be corrected automatically. 68 00:05:41,916 --> 00:05:49,035 Because we are coming from a different platform, so it may be. 69 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:55,310 And that is also said in the Bha…: Api cet su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, 70 00:05:55,311 --> 00:05:58,769 sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30] 71 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:02,737 “If one is found doing mistake or doing something wrong, 72 00:06:02,738 --> 00:06:09,325 but because he is sticking to this principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is sādhu.” 73 00:06:09,326 --> 00:06:16,681 Sādhu means a holy man. 74 00:06:16,682 --> 00:06:19,683 He is holy. 75 00:06:19,684 --> 00:06:22,931 He is not doing any wrong consciously. 76 00:06:22,932 --> 00:06:25,124 But due to habit… 77 00:06:25,125 --> 00:06:29,315 Suppose just like: Most of you… your… ah… 78 00:06:29,316 --> 00:06:33,436 In your former life, you were smoking or taking intoxication. 79 00:06:33,437 --> 00:06:39,721 But by some influence, if you sometimes take to it, yes, if you are conscious, 80 00:06:39,722 --> 00:06:45,924 “Oh, I have done wrong,” but that is excused if you have done unconscious. 81 00:06:45,925 --> 00:06:48,076 But if you think that “Now I am Kṛṣṇa conscious. 82 00:06:48,077 --> 00:06:52,521 Whatever I do, it is right,” then it is great sin. 83 00:06:52,522 --> 00:06:55,680 But accidentally it happens: That is excused. 84 00:06:55,681 --> 00:06:59,393 Never mind. 85 00:06:59,394 --> 00:07:03,871 So accidental mistake… mistake is not dangerous. 86 00:07:03,872 --> 00:07:07,569 Willful mistake is dangerous. 87 00:07:07,570 --> 00:07:16,869 That we should be careful. 88 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:18,412 We should be very careful always 89 00:07:18,413 --> 00:07:22,072 so that accidental mistakes also may not take place, 90 00:07:22,073 --> 00:07:35,429 but if it takes place, it is excused. 91 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:39,917 GUEST: Can haṭha-yoga hinder or help Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or is it…? 92 00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:41,156 - Hinder. - Hinder. 93 00:07:41,157 --> 00:07:46,056 Yes, because it is useless, simply wasting time. 94 00:07:46,057 --> 00:07:50,202 You cannot perform haṭha-yoga in this age. 95 00:07:50,203 --> 00:07:53,745 You do not follow the rules and regulations. 96 00:07:53,746 --> 00:07:57,161 You are simply bluffed. 97 00:07:57,162 --> 00:08:02,027 Do you know what is the rules and regulations of haṭha-yoga factually? 98 00:08:02,028 --> 00:08:03,687 - Not actually. - Yes. 99 00:08:03,688 --> 00:08:06,717 You have to select a secluded place. 100 00:08:06,718 --> 00:08:12,870 Haṭha-yoga is not practiced in assembly of so many men. 101 00:08:12,871 --> 00:08:14,652 Just you go to a haṭha-yoga class. 102 00:08:14,653 --> 00:08:21,181 There are hundreds of members practicing, and he is collecting money: 103 00:08:21,182 --> 00:08:24,519 Five dollars per seat, and you are thinking, “I am practicing.” 104 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,332 That is useless waste of time and money. 105 00:08:27,333 --> 00:08:32,057 Haṭha-yoga is not practiced in that way; you have to practice in a secluded place: 106 00:08:32,058 --> 00:08:33,840 Alone. 107 00:08:33,841 --> 00:08:36,380 Do you do that? 108 00:08:36,381 --> 00:08:39,431 Yes, not… No, I guess I don’t. 109 00:08:39,432 --> 00:08:42,043 It is very difficult in this age. 110 00:08:42,044 --> 00:08:44,996 Then you have to restrain yourself in so many things. 111 00:08:44,997 --> 00:08:49,185 Complete free from sex life. 112 00:08:49,186 --> 00:08:53,743 You have to eat under certain direction, you have to… So many things there are. 113 00:08:53,744 --> 00:08:56,673 These rules are not followed. 114 00:08:56,674 --> 00:09:00,739 Simply they have got some bodily gymnastic sitting posture. 115 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:02,282 They are thinking, “I am practicing.” 116 00:09:02,283 --> 00:09:03,862 No. 117 00:09:03,863 --> 00:09:08,248 That is one of the items. 118 00:09:08,249 --> 00:09:11,002 So all the items cannot be observed in this age. 119 00:09:11,003 --> 00:09:13,555 Therefore it is wasting. [Break] 120 00:09:13,556 --> 00:09:17,069 “…who always abides in Me with great faith, 121 00:09:17,070 --> 00:09:20,141 worshiping Me in transcendental loving service 122 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:27,821 is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.” 123 00:09:27,822 --> 00:09:32,154 This is the goal of yoga practice. 124 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:38,356 So, that is possible very easily by this movement: Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 125 00:09:38,357 --> 00:09:41,880 Not by any other process. 126 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:45,337 And the ultimate goal is here. 127 00:09:45,338 --> 00:09:49,695 One should be always abiding with God, worshiping Him, 128 00:09:49,696 --> 00:09:50,915 [transcendental] loving… 129 00:09:50,916 --> 00:09:57,004 transcendental service, and intimately united with Him. 130 00:09:57,005 --> 00:09:58,444 Intimately. 131 00:09:58,445 --> 00:10:07,147 This intimate unit… unity means that five kinds of relationship. 132 00:10:07,148 --> 00:10:11,598 That is the perfection of yoga. 133 00:10:11,599 --> 00:10:12,339 This is the… 134 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:17,265 When Kṛṣṇa has advised yoga practice: Sāṅkhya-yoga… 135 00:10:17,266 --> 00:10:19,799 You have Bhagavad-gītā? 136 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,313 There is sāṅkhya-yoga. 137 00:10:21,314 --> 00:10:23,133 You’ll find in the forty-seventh verse. 138 00:10:23,134 --> 00:10:26,898 This is the version. 139 00:10:26,899 --> 00:10:30,750 There’s… There’s no value in keeping the body fit through exercise? 140 00:10:30,751 --> 00:10:31,505 Huh? 141 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:34,634 There’s no value in keeping the body fit through exercise? 142 00:10:34,635 --> 00:10:37,022 Yes, you can become very healthy. 143 00:10:37,023 --> 00:10:42,324 But does it mean that he… healthy [is] the perfection of life? 144 00:10:42,325 --> 00:10:49,289 Do you mean to say healthy life: You will not die—will not change his body? 145 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:56,151 So health is required, but health is not the ultimate goal of life. 146 00:10:56,152 --> 00:11:03,218 Ultimate goal of life is here. 147 00:11:03,219 --> 00:11:06,916 GUEST (2): [indistinct] Buddha taught very similar things 148 00:11:06,917 --> 00:11:10,583 to what the Gītā taught also, didn’t he? 149 00:11:10,584 --> 00:11:12,338 Are there agreeances there? 150 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:17,254 In agreement in certain places with what Buddha taught and what the Gītā teaches? 151 00:11:17,255 --> 00:11:19,020 Do you follow the Buddha? 152 00:11:19,021 --> 00:11:21,159 Ah… No. 153 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,646 A simple talk of him? 154 00:11:23,647 --> 00:11:27,101 To practice Buddha you have [to] appreciate him. [splice] 155 00:11:27,102 --> 00:11:29,364 “Jack of all trade; master of none.” 156 00:11:29,365 --> 00:11:31,079 That is not good. 157 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,768 Be master of something. 158 00:11:35,769 --> 00:11:37,676 It doesn’t differ. 159 00:11:37,677 --> 00:11:49,430 Either you follow Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha or Kṛṣṇa: It doesn’t matter much. 160 00:11:49,431 --> 00:11:51,169 But do it perfectly. 161 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:59,310 That is our request. 162 00:11:59,311 --> 00:11:59,312 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com