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RC DEL 1973-11-02 High Words Will Not Do
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 2nd of
November, 1973, in Delhi, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: …gopīs
came with lust.
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They became purified
with Kṛṣṇa’s association.
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Gopīs actually, superficially, externally,
they are… Means, nitya-siddha:
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ever-liberated expansion
of Kṛṣṇa’s internal energy.
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But apparently, they left their
father, husband and came to Kṛṣṇa.
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So that is, from Vedic
principle, it is wrong.
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One young girl cannot
go to other young man,
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giving up the protection
of father, brother…
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So they did it.
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So they… According to
Vedic principle, it is sinful.
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But because it was related with
Kṛṣṇa, they became purified.
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That means any way, if one comes in
contact with Kṛṣṇa, he becomes purified.
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Even though he’s sinful.
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That is Kṛṣṇa’s…
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That is the benefit of
Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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Sun is never infected.
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Rather, the infected area becomes
sterilized by the sunshine.
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This is the process.
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That is explained: Tejīyasāṁ
na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29].
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One who is very
powerful: He has no fault.
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So how your
temperature is going on?
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ŚYĀMASUNDARA: Everything
is getting very nicely improved.
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That’s nice.
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You’ve had some cold?
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BRAHMĀNANDA: Yeah.
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I got everything, still, I
haven’t got anything.
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This is nice place; if you
invite the neighboring…
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- They may come and take advantage.
- It looks like an American neighborhood.
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- Eh?
- It looks like an American neighborhood.
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Yes; it is very nice place.
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So you are also helping Tejas?
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- Yes.
- That’s nice.
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Tomorrow morning I’m
meeting with Indira Gandhi…
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- Oh!
- …and the American ambassador.
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- Indira Gandhi comes one day…
- Yes.
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- …that will be very nice.
- We’re thinking if we can get either one of those two,
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- then everyone else will come.
- Yes; it is very nice.
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Indira Gandhi knows
our movement.
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- Is it not?
- Yes.
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I have approached her that…
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that you are the greatest emissary
of Indian culture outside of India.
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That is a fact, but these
rascals do not appreciate it.
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- Others are appreciating.
- Yes.
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The foreign countries,
they’re appreciating,
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“Here is real Indian culture.”
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- They should also appreciate by the result.
- Hmm; yes; that’s the point.
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- By the result, not theoretical.
- No.
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So we were showing
pictures and books.
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Every sane man should appreciate.
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European and American young men,
who are after material sense gratification,
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they’re taking sannyāsa.
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It is not joke.
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They should appreciate it.
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In an age where material sense
enjoyment is very prominent,
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and they give up
everything for Kṛṣṇa,
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and they’re going far away from
their comfortable position…
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Just like Brahmānanda
has gone to Africa.
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So what for?
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Unless they appreciate Kṛṣṇa
consciousness, how they take up this job?
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This is practical.
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There is no question of theoretical.
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You said that last night when you spoke
that about we are actually siddhas.
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- Yes.
- We are not…
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- That I wanted to prove…
- Yes.
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…that these boys are siddhas.
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- Others, they do not know what is siddhi.
- They have not even left family connection, you said.
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- That I… That Mr. Kokoor…
- Yeah.
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…talking high talks.
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Simply high words will not do.
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I think… I think it will be good,
though, if we flattered Mrs. Gandhi.
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- Yes.
- Let her think that we are praising her
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- leadership of the country.
- No.
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Yes, flatter that “You can say that you’ll
be glorified when India will be glorified.
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- So this culture will glorify India.”
- Yes.
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“And Prabhupāda has introduced.”
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- It is now already…
- “So you should cooperate with us.”
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- Yeah.
- “This is India’s original culture: Kṛṣṇa culture.”
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And ninety-percent of the people…
They are Kṛṣṇa devotees—of India.
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- There is no doubt about it.
- Yes.
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So…
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And this has got the potency of
being spread all over the world.
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- All over…
- Hmm; yes.
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Some news has come
out in Jugantar that
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Queen Elizabeth is reading
our Bhagavad-gītā.
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That was from that time David
Wynne gave her that Bhagavad-gītā.
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Oh.
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…to read while she was sitting
for him for the sculpture.
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It has come to her attention.
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I think he has told that story to several
people, [and] the word has spread.
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Oh.
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- Where did you hear it from?
- Anyway, that our architect, that… Mr. Lahiri
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Oh, Mr. Lahiri.
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- He has seen in the Jugantar Press.
- It was in the newspaper here in India.
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She did; she read it
one day—in four hours!
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Who arranged this meeting?
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Well, we did.
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Oh.
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With the American Ambassador, we have
left him today one copy of Bhagavad-gītā.
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Oh; can refer that Mr…
What is his last name… Mr?
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- Kennith Keating.
- Keat… Keating.
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- Yes, I already have given him one copy…
- He knows us very well.
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- Yes.
- Where is that… He gave us some letter?
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I gave already that copy
to the ambassador.
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And did he… He
liked this movement?
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Also I gave the papers…
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And “We are American.
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- You can ask about this movement.”
- I said that also.
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I said, “Because most of
your disciples are American,
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- and you are an American practically…”
- Ah.
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“So you can test us;
you can test us.”
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No; that, “If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious,
naturally everything will be correct.”
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Just like Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja
was Kṛṣṇa conscious.
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And can… You can read the portion
during the reign of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja,
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how nature was helping.
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kāmaṁ vavarṣa
[SB 1.10.4]
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You keep one set of books here.
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kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
[SB 1.10.4]
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“Due to Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s being Kṛṣṇa
conscious, everything was going on nicely.
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So…
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So by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, you are on
the post of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja.
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So if you take standard, it
will be good for everyone.
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So far secular state is concerned:
We are actually secular.
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In this movement, all
classes of men are here.”
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I think, Śrīla Prabhupāda,
you’ll have to preach to her.
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She won’t listen to… If I can just get
her to agree to be the chief guest.
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- And accept the book; that is all right.
- That… That’s all I can do.
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Yes, yes.
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-If you preach to her, she’ll listen.
- Yes; yes.
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- -She won’t listen if I preach to her.
-No; no; no; that is not possible.
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That I understand.
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- You simply try to…
- Induce her to come.
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- Yes, to join us at least one day.
- Yes.
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- And accept the book, read it,
- Yes.
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at least the introductory
portion, preface portion.
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