0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,638 RC DEL 1973-11-02 High Words Will Not Do 1 00:00:16,639 --> 00:00:18,921 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation, 2 00:00:18,922 --> 00:00:24,274 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:24,275 --> 00:00:48,507 recorded on the 2nd of November, 1973, in Delhi, India. 4 00:00:48,508 --> 00:00:51,178 PRABHUPĀDA: …gopīs came with lust. 5 00:00:51,179 --> 00:00:56,806 They became purified with Kṛṣṇa’s association. 6 00:00:56,807 --> 00:01:04,631 Gopīs actually, superficially, externally, they are… Means, nitya-siddha: 7 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:12,506 ever-liberated expansion of Kṛṣṇa’s internal energy. 8 00:01:12,507 --> 00:01:20,572 But apparently, they left their father, husband and came to Kṛṣṇa. 9 00:01:20,573 --> 00:01:24,966 So that is, from Vedic principle, it is wrong. 10 00:01:24,967 --> 00:01:28,985 One young girl cannot go to other young man, 11 00:01:28,986 --> 00:01:32,658 giving up the protection of father, brother… 12 00:01:32,659 --> 00:01:34,963 So they did it. 13 00:01:34,964 --> 00:01:39,125 So they… According to Vedic principle, it is sinful. 14 00:01:39,126 --> 00:01:44,801 But because it was related with Kṛṣṇa, they became purified. 15 00:01:44,802 --> 00:01:50,589 That means any way, if one comes in contact with Kṛṣṇa, he becomes purified. 16 00:01:50,590 --> 00:01:53,377 Even though he’s sinful. 17 00:01:53,378 --> 00:01:54,578 That is Kṛṣṇa’s… 18 00:01:54,579 --> 00:02:02,609 That is the benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 19 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:05,182 Sun is never infected. 20 00:02:05,183 --> 00:02:10,559 Rather, the infected area becomes sterilized by the sunshine. 21 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,064 This is the process. 22 00:02:14,065 --> 00:02:17,320 That is explained: Tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29]. 23 00:02:17,321 --> 00:02:24,817 One who is very powerful: He has no fault. 24 00:02:24,818 --> 00:02:30,333 So how your temperature is going on? 25 00:02:30,334 --> 00:02:32,007 ŚYĀMASUNDARA: Everything is getting very nicely improved. 26 00:02:32,008 --> 00:02:34,522 That’s nice. 27 00:02:34,523 --> 00:02:36,400 You’ve had some cold? 28 00:02:36,401 --> 00:02:40,273 BRAHMĀNANDA: Yeah. 29 00:02:40,274 --> 00:02:47,641 I got everything, still, I haven’t got anything. 30 00:02:47,642 --> 00:02:51,005 This is nice place; if you invite the neighboring… 31 00:02:51,006 --> 00:02:54,572 - They may come and take advantage. - It looks like an American neighborhood. 32 00:02:54,573 --> 00:02:56,642 - Eh? - It looks like an American neighborhood. 33 00:02:56,643 --> 00:03:04,319 Yes; it is very nice place. 34 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,108 So you are also helping Tejas? 35 00:03:07,109 --> 00:03:09,565 - Yes. - That’s nice. 36 00:03:09,566 --> 00:03:12,879 Tomorrow morning I’m meeting with Indira Gandhi… 37 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,838 - Oh! - …and the American ambassador. 38 00:03:16,839 --> 00:03:18,854 - Indira Gandhi comes one day… - Yes. 39 00:03:18,855 --> 00:03:22,913 - …that will be very nice. - We’re thinking if we can get either one of those two, 40 00:03:22,914 --> 00:03:28,468 - then everyone else will come. - Yes; it is very nice. 41 00:03:28,469 --> 00:03:31,829 Indira Gandhi knows our movement. 42 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:33,546 - Is it not? - Yes. 43 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:36,101 I have approached her that… 44 00:03:36,102 --> 00:03:41,509 that you are the greatest emissary of Indian culture outside of India. 45 00:03:41,510 --> 00:03:46,233 That is a fact, but these rascals do not appreciate it. 46 00:03:46,234 --> 00:03:48,197 - Others are appreciating. - Yes. 47 00:03:48,198 --> 00:03:51,115 The foreign countries, they’re appreciating, 48 00:03:51,116 --> 00:03:55,864 “Here is real Indian culture.” 49 00:03:55,865 --> 00:03:59,947 - They should also appreciate by the result. - Hmm; yes; that’s the point. 50 00:03:59,948 --> 00:04:03,771 - By the result, not theoretical. - No. 51 00:04:03,772 --> 00:04:06,528 So we were showing pictures and books. 52 00:04:06,529 --> 00:04:10,149 Every sane man should appreciate. 53 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:17,254 European and American young men, who are after material sense gratification, 54 00:04:17,255 --> 00:04:19,891 they’re taking sannyāsa. 55 00:04:19,892 --> 00:04:22,181 It is not joke. 56 00:04:22,182 --> 00:04:26,419 They should appreciate it. 57 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:32,167 In an age where material sense enjoyment is very prominent, 58 00:04:32,168 --> 00:04:37,124 and they give up everything for Kṛṣṇa, 59 00:04:37,125 --> 00:04:40,869 and they’re going far away from their comfortable position… 60 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:44,891 Just like Brahmānanda has gone to Africa. 61 00:04:44,892 --> 00:04:46,985 So what for? 62 00:04:46,986 --> 00:04:52,928 Unless they appreciate Kṛṣṇa consciousness, how they take up this job? 63 00:04:52,929 --> 00:04:54,632 This is practical. 64 00:04:54,633 --> 00:05:00,208 There is no question of theoretical. 65 00:05:00,209 --> 00:05:05,628 You said that last night when you spoke that about we are actually siddhas. 66 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:07,436 - Yes. - We are not… 67 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:10,765 - That I wanted to prove… - Yes. 68 00:05:10,766 --> 00:05:14,777 …that these boys are siddhas. 69 00:05:14,778 --> 00:05:20,064 - Others, they do not know what is siddhi. - They have not even left family connection, you said. 70 00:05:20,065 --> 00:05:23,902 - That I… That Mr. Kokoor… - Yeah. 71 00:05:23,903 --> 00:05:29,725 …talking high talks. 72 00:05:29,726 --> 00:05:31,825 Simply high words will not do. 73 00:05:31,826 --> 00:05:37,155 I think… I think it will be good, though, if we flattered Mrs. Gandhi. 74 00:05:37,156 --> 00:05:40,232 - Yes. - Let her think that we are praising her 75 00:05:40,233 --> 00:05:42,161 - leadership of the country. - No. 76 00:05:42,162 --> 00:05:51,887 Yes, flatter that “You can say that you’ll be glorified when India will be glorified. 77 00:05:51,888 --> 00:05:55,847 - So this culture will glorify India.” - Yes. 78 00:05:55,848 --> 00:05:58,643 “And Prabhupāda has introduced.” 79 00:05:58,644 --> 00:06:02,112 - It is now already… - “So you should cooperate with us.” 80 00:06:02,113 --> 00:06:07,741 - Yeah. - “This is India’s original culture: Kṛṣṇa culture.” 81 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:14,354 And ninety-percent of the people… They are Kṛṣṇa devotees—of India. 82 00:06:14,355 --> 00:06:17,632 - There is no doubt about it. - Yes. 83 00:06:17,633 --> 00:06:19,980 So… 84 00:06:19,981 --> 00:06:25,410 And this has got the potency of being spread all over the world. 85 00:06:25,411 --> 00:06:28,384 - All over… - Hmm; yes. 86 00:06:28,385 --> 00:06:33,857 Some news has come out in Jugantar that 87 00:06:33,858 --> 00:06:38,340 Queen Elizabeth is reading our Bhagavad-gītā. 88 00:06:38,341 --> 00:06:42,763 That was from that time David Wynne gave her that Bhagavad-gītā. 89 00:06:42,764 --> 00:06:43,546 Oh. 90 00:06:43,547 --> 00:06:48,432 …to read while she was sitting for him for the sculpture. 91 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:50,246 It has come to her attention. 92 00:06:50,247 --> 00:06:54,173 I think he has told that story to several people, [and] the word has spread. 93 00:06:54,174 --> 00:06:56,739 Oh. 94 00:06:56,740 --> 00:07:02,432 - Where did you hear it from? - Anyway, that our architect, that… Mr. Lahiri 95 00:07:02,433 --> 00:07:03,367 Oh, Mr. Lahiri. 96 00:07:03,368 --> 00:07:08,370 - He has seen in the Jugantar Press. - It was in the newspaper here in India. 97 00:07:08,371 --> 00:07:15,166 She did; she read it one day—in four hours! 98 00:07:15,167 --> 00:07:18,422 Who arranged this meeting? 99 00:07:18,423 --> 00:07:20,031 Well, we did. 100 00:07:20,032 --> 00:07:23,277 Oh. 101 00:07:23,278 --> 00:07:27,983 With the American Ambassador, we have left him today one copy of Bhagavad-gītā. 102 00:07:27,984 --> 00:07:32,347 Oh; can refer that Mr… What is his last name… Mr? 103 00:07:32,348 --> 00:07:33,922 - Kennith Keating. - Keat… Keating. 104 00:07:33,923 --> 00:07:37,748 - Yes, I already have given him one copy… - He knows us very well. 105 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:41,414 - Yes. - Where is that… He gave us some letter? 106 00:07:41,415 --> 00:07:45,019 I gave already that copy to the ambassador. 107 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:48,398 And did he… He liked this movement? 108 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,483 Also I gave the papers… 109 00:07:51,484 --> 00:07:53,457 And “We are American. 110 00:07:53,458 --> 00:07:56,538 - You can ask about this movement.” - I said that also. 111 00:07:56,539 --> 00:07:59,865 I said, “Because most of your disciples are American, 112 00:07:59,866 --> 00:08:02,804 - and you are an American practically…” - Ah. 113 00:08:02,805 --> 00:08:09,207 “So you can test us; you can test us.” 114 00:08:09,208 --> 00:08:18,990 No; that, “If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, naturally everything will be correct.” 115 00:08:18,991 --> 00:08:21,613 Just like Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja was Kṛṣṇa conscious. 116 00:08:21,614 --> 00:08:26,640 And can… You can read the portion during the reign of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja, 117 00:08:26,641 --> 00:08:28,548 how nature was helping. 118 00:08:28,549 --> 00:08:30,633 kāmaṁ vavarṣa [SB 1.10.4] 119 00:08:30,634 --> 00:08:33,570 You keep one set of books here. 120 00:08:33,571 --> 00:08:36,970 kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4] 121 00:08:36,971 --> 00:08:44,634 “Due to Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s being Kṛṣṇa conscious, everything was going on nicely. 122 00:08:44,635 --> 00:08:45,565 So… 123 00:08:45,566 --> 00:08:54,204 So by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, you are on the post of Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja. 124 00:08:54,205 --> 00:09:00,318 So if you take standard, it will be good for everyone. 125 00:09:00,319 --> 00:09:05,407 So far secular state is concerned: We are actually secular. 126 00:09:05,408 --> 00:09:10,787 In this movement, all classes of men are here.” 127 00:09:10,788 --> 00:09:15,199 I think, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you’ll have to preach to her. 128 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,728 She won’t listen to… If I can just get her to agree to be the chief guest. 129 00:09:19,729 --> 00:09:23,316 - And accept the book; that is all right. - That… That’s all I can do. 130 00:09:23,317 --> 00:09:23,863 Yes, yes. 131 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:25,919 -If you preach to her, she’ll listen. - Yes; yes. 132 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,896 - -She won’t listen if I preach to her. -No; no; no; that is not possible. 133 00:09:28,897 --> 00:09:29,864 That I understand. 134 00:09:29,865 --> 00:09:33,033 - You simply try to… - Induce her to come. 135 00:09:33,034 --> 00:09:36,898 - Yes, to join us at least one day. - Yes. 136 00:09:36,899 --> 00:09:39,345 - And accept the book, read it, - Yes. 137 00:09:39,346 --> 00:09:49,351 at least the introductory portion, preface portion. 138 00:09:49,352 --> 00:09:49,353 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com