0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,597 RC LA 1975-06-25 God Is As Sure As Death 1 00:00:14,598 --> 00:00:16,848 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation, 2 00:00:16,849 --> 00:00:22,069 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:46,048 recorded on the 25th of June, 1975, in Los Angeles, California. 4 00:00:46,049 --> 00:00:49,069 PRABHUPĀDA: …the tenant thinks that “This apartment is mine: 5 00:00:49,070 --> 00:00:52,379 I am owner;” then he is wrong. 6 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:58,011 If he knows perfectly well that it belongs to the landlord, 7 00:00:58,012 --> 00:01:01,955 “I have given for use,” then it is knowledge. 8 00:01:01,956 --> 00:01:06,939 DR. WOLF: Śrīla Prabhupāda, and the tenant can be easily evicted. 9 00:01:06,940 --> 00:01:09,298 Yes. 10 00:01:09,299 --> 00:01:10,998 Evicted. 11 00:01:10,999 --> 00:01:16,069 At that time he knows the owner. 12 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:18,301 When he is kicked out. 13 00:01:18,302 --> 00:01:21,879 That is stated also in the Bhagavad-gītā. 14 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,809 mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham [Bg. 10.34] 15 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:28,648 Those who are not believing in God, to them God will come one day as death, 16 00:01:28,649 --> 00:01:32,571 “Now believe Me. Get out!” 17 00:01:32,572 --> 00:01:33,788 Finished. 18 00:01:33,789 --> 00:01:38,770 All your pride finished. 19 00:01:38,771 --> 00:01:42,152 Your pride, your property, your family, 20 00:01:42,153 --> 00:01:44,903 your bank balance, your skyscraper building— 21 00:01:44,904 --> 00:01:46,137 all taken away. 22 00:01:46,138 --> 00:01:47,900 “Finished. Get out.” 23 00:01:47,901 --> 00:01:49,918 This is God. 24 00:01:49,919 --> 00:01:53,341 Now understand God? 25 00:01:53,342 --> 00:01:56,569 To believe or not believe, God will come one day. 26 00:01:56,570 --> 00:02:00,863 He will take you, take your everything, and “Get out!” 27 00:02:00,864 --> 00:02:03,584 That is God. 28 00:02:03,585 --> 00:02:04,943 You believe or not believe. 29 00:02:04,944 --> 00:02:09,350 It doesn’t matter. 30 00:02:09,351 --> 00:02:12,222 The same example: the tenant may not believe the landlord, 31 00:02:12,223 --> 00:02:15,471 but when the landlord will come with court’s order: 32 00:02:15,472 --> 00:02:19,218 “Get out,” then you have to go out. 33 00:02:19,219 --> 00:02:21,702 That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, 34 00:02:21,703 --> 00:02:24,784 that, “Those who are not believer in God, 35 00:02:24,785 --> 00:02:30,541 to them I come as death and take away everything.” 36 00:02:30,542 --> 00:02:37,305 Then one has to believe, “Yes, as sure as death.” 37 00:02:37,306 --> 00:02:41,018 Then God is sure. 38 00:02:41,019 --> 00:02:47,750 You may challenge so long you have got little life for a few years, 39 00:02:47,751 --> 00:02:53,649 but God will come and drive you away from your present pride, 40 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:58,725 prestigious position, “Get out.” 41 00:02:58,726 --> 00:03:05,459 So unless one is madman, he cannot say, “There is no God.” 42 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:10,792 Anyone who denies the existence of God, he is a madman. 43 00:03:10,793 --> 00:03:13,946 DR. WOLFE: Prabhupāda, wouldn’t it be better to say he is blind, he is stupid? 44 00:03:13,947 --> 00:03:15,795 Yes, the same thing. 45 00:03:15,796 --> 00:03:21,714 Mad is the sum total of all stupidity. 46 00:03:21,715 --> 00:03:31,177 When I say mad, it is the sum total of all kinds of stupidity. 47 00:03:31,178 --> 00:03:31,778 BAHULĀŚVA: Śrīla Prabhupāda, 48 00:03:31,779 --> 00:03:36,464 when would you like to speak to Dr. Judah about the college? 49 00:03:36,465 --> 00:03:38,704 Whenever he finds convenient. 50 00:03:38,705 --> 00:03:40,556 I am always ready. 51 00:03:40,557 --> 00:03:41,500 DR. JUDAH: The college? 52 00:03:41,501 --> 00:03:43,641 Yes. 53 00:03:43,642 --> 00:03:50,716 Well, I understand you are interested in founding a college, and ah… 54 00:03:50,717 --> 00:03:51,918 Everyone should be interested. 55 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:53,463 Yes. 56 00:03:53,464 --> 00:03:59,211 And I’ve been… I’ve been trying to get the particulars up in Berkeley 57 00:03:59,212 --> 00:04:03,243 concerning certain possibilities and I, 58 00:04:03,244 --> 00:04:08,859 - of course, I just… I wrote to the… - No, it is possibility. 59 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:14,533 Just like you have got this religious section, 60 00:04:14,534 --> 00:04:22,596 similarly, we can have Vedic theological section. 61 00:04:22,597 --> 00:04:24,580 It’ll be a section department. 62 00:04:24,581 --> 00:04:28,554 Will this be ah… The idea of the college that you have in mind, 63 00:04:28,555 --> 00:04:33,284 is this going to be an all-around college, in other words teaching not only, 64 00:04:33,285 --> 00:04:39,329 you might say, Vaiṣṇavism, but also we’ll say English and the other subjects? 65 00:04:39,330 --> 00:04:42,796 - Oh, yes. - In other words, a liberal arts college, 66 00:04:42,797 --> 00:04:46,102 with a religious section in it. 67 00:04:46,103 --> 00:04:48,687 No. 68 00:04:48,688 --> 00:04:53,158 Just like your association is graduate. 69 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:57,007 So you accept graduates to the Union? 70 00:04:57,008 --> 00:04:59,515 - Well, will this be… - Just like law college. 71 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:03,228 Law college, one joins after graduation. 72 00:05:03,229 --> 00:05:06,054 Right. There are two types of college programs. 73 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:08,433 One is what we call the undergraduate program, 74 00:05:08,434 --> 00:05:15,404 which is generally a four-year program leading to a bachelor’s degree, 75 00:05:15,405 --> 00:05:17,990 and then there is the graduate program, 76 00:05:17,991 --> 00:05:22,435 which one finds, particularly here in the United States, 77 00:05:22,436 --> 00:05:25,025 in the… if one is interested in religion, 78 00:05:25,026 --> 00:05:29,128 - in the seminaries, which are… - If you have time some other time. 79 00:05:29,129 --> 00:05:31,959 - We have to go over the particulars. - Sure. Right. 80 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,281 So whenever you like. 81 00:05:35,282 --> 00:05:37,132 Day after tomorrow I am going. 82 00:05:37,133 --> 00:05:38,593 JAYATĪRTHA: Yes. 83 00:05:38,594 --> 00:05:43,043 I’ll be here tomorrow and tomorrow afternoon I have to go back. 84 00:05:43,044 --> 00:05:44,327 Yes. 85 00:05:44,328 --> 00:05:45,877 So, in the morning. 86 00:05:45,878 --> 00:05:47,471 Yes. fine. 87 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:49,480 So we can talk in detail. 88 00:05:49,481 --> 00:05:55,049 We showed Dr. Judah the press and all the books, how they were published. 89 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:56,599 He was very impressed. 90 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,484 Yes. You seem to… You have… 91 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:05,865 You have, it would seem, the very latest knowledge of technology. 92 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:08,078 They’re doing these things by means of a computers, 93 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:13,091 you know, and all of the very highest technology. 94 00:06:13,092 --> 00:06:16,064 In fact, technology that I haven’t seen in many publishing companies, 95 00:06:16,065 --> 00:06:18,699 and I have looked at a lot of publishing companies. 96 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:26,491 And this is the most advanced technology I have ever seen in publishing. 97 00:06:26,492 --> 00:06:28,622 It’s amazing really. 98 00:06:28,623 --> 00:06:33,109 SVARŪPA: Beware, it’ll do you in. 99 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:34,957 DEVOTEE: No, we can use it for Kṛṣṇa. 100 00:06:34,958 --> 00:06:37,828 That is the important thing, as long as we’re using it for Kṛṣṇa. 101 00:06:37,829 --> 00:06:43,714 This technology is also Kṛṣṇa’s energy, material energy. 102 00:06:43,715 --> 00:06:45,745 That is Kṛṣṇa’s energy. 103 00:06:45,746 --> 00:06:51,604 And when the material energy is utilized for Kṛṣṇa’s energy… I’ll take that. 104 00:06:51,605 --> 00:06:59,294 You can distribute. 105 00:06:59,295 --> 00:06:59,296 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com