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RC LON 1973-07-19 Rasas-Variety of Liking Krishna
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation,
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 19th of July,
1973, in London, England.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Paśyanti; this word
is there; Yoginaḥ paśyanti: Just see.
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Dhyānāvasthita: By meditation.
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REVATĪNANDANA: This is the
Sixth Chapter [of] Bhagavad-gītā?
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- Is that what you’re quoting?
- No, this is in Bhāgavata.
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I see.
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But that seeing…
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That seeing is not ānanda.
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Seeing is ānanda, undoubtedly,
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but seeing and talking
and becoming friend:
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That is higher.
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Friend or conjugal
lover, father, mother.
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That kind of seeing is different.
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If a… If… If that yogi quits
his body in that condition,
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- does he attain a Vaikuṇṭha planet?
- [indistinct] [break]
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Is it possible that… that if… if
it… if he was not… if he was…
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This is a question that sometimes
a devotee has asked me.
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If a yogi does attain
a Vaikuṇṭha planet,
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but by his constitutional nature
he is meant to be associated
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- with Kṛṣṇa in Goloka…
- No; why not with Viṣṇu?
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- But some… No…
- Vaikuṇṭha is Viṣṇu: Nārāyaṇa.
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- That is also…
- But…
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But there Nārāyaṇa is worshiped
with awe and veneration.
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- Yeah.
- He is God.
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No.
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Friendship as in Vṛndāvana.
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That is not possible.
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- The… The question is like…
- Vipralambha-sakhya.
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Aiśvarya, aiśvarya, opulence.
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There the Supreme Lord is
taken in aiśvarya, opulences.
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Not aiśvarya-sthiti.
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In Vṛndāvana—the devotees: They
practically do not know that Kṛṣṇa is God.
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“He is our very beloved friend.”
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It doesn’t care to know
whether He is God or not.
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Here the concept of God.
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Vaikuṇṭha: “Oh, here is God,”
with awe and veneration—respect.
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That… That I understand.
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The question is that: Supposing this
yogi: He has not got full knowledge.
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He does not know of Kṛṣṇa, and
therefore he is meditating on Paramātmā,
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and he attains Vaikuṇṭha.
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Is it possible that because
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- he hadn’t got full knowledge…
- No, no. He has to go…
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Simply by Paramātmā conception,
he cannot go to Vaikuṇṭha.
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- Can he later go from Vaikuṇṭha to Goloka?
- Hmm?
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- Can that happen also?
- There is… There is such instances.
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But if a devotee knows Kṛṣṇa.
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If he knows of Kṛṣṇa,
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then wherever he is destined, he will
go perfectly to his perfect position.
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- Just like Bhīṣma knew Kṛṣṇa…
- Mad-yājino yānti mām [Bg. 9.25].
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Kṛṣṇa devotees, they go directly.
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Especially those who are worshiping
Kṛṣṇa through Caitanya Mahā…
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They directly go to Kṛṣṇaloka.
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What about like the case of Bhīṣmadeva
where he knew about Kṛṣṇa in Goloka,
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- and he went to Kṛṣṇa as Pārtha-sārathi.
- Kṛṣṇa… He understood Kṛṣṇa as Nārāyaṇa.
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He’ll go to Vaikuṇṭha: Bhīṣmadeva.
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Yeah, but he had full knowledge
of everything as a mahājana.
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- He knew also…
- But he loved Nārāyaṇa: Catur-bhuja.
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Yes; that was his
constitutional position.
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That’s… That’s all right.
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Just like sometimes
mādhurya-rasa
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- is the greatest humor…
- Who?
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- Mādhurya-rasa—conjugal love.
- Oh; yeah.
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But still, there are devotees who
prefer parental love: Friendly love.
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That is liking.
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Everyone has got his own liking.
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But they are all the same.
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All the same.
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There is no difference between
Kṛṣṇa devotee or Nārāyaṇa devotee.
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- They are all… But it is their liking.
- Yes.
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Varieties of liking.
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Another related question
that could also arose…
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These come in Bhāgavata class with the
devotees ’cause they think about the
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questions and sometimes they…
they come up with nice ones.
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The… When Kṛṣṇa is incarnating in His
plenary incarnations like Varāha, Nṛsiṁha—
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- like that—He’s appearing…
- [indistinct] of this material world.
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Yes; ah…
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And sometimes devotees
become devoted to those forms.
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Are there corresponding planets in
Vaikuṇṭha for those forms of incarnation?
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Is there a planet of Nṛsiṁha or
Nṛsiṁha-loka in the Vaikuṇṭha sphere?
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So far [as I] know, those planets
are here within this material…
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- Wherever He is appearing?
- Hmm.
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Even Rāmacandra’s.
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So far I have…
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On… On all the Vaikuṇṭhas, Kṛṣṇa is
in His catur-bhuja: Four-armed form?
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- But those devotees will eventually go there.
- Hmm.
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Those… Those kind of devotees
like devotees of Sītā-Rāma:
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They will also attain
the spiritual sky
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- in their various positions.
- Yes.
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- All right; thank you very much.
- Hare Kṛṣṇa. [splice]
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The rascal Darwin says that
it is coming from monkey.
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Why the monkey does not
produce a human being?
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All rascals.
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Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-
guṇāḥ [SB 5.18.12]; simply rascals.
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His name is Neiman?
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PRADYUMNA: Couldn’t get his
last name… Ruby something?
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Ruby: that I…
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He’s a very nice gentleman.
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He appreciated Bhagavad-gītā.
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- He said right away… Right.
- Yes.
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My wife’s typing
up all your lectures.
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- Hmm?
- All your lectures…
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She has finished L.A. lectures; now
she is typing Māyāpura lectures,
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- this lecture, that lecture.
- Ah.
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She has permanent machine and
typewriter in [her] apartment.
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So she types all during the
day and she minds the child.
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- And then it is in the same apartment.
- Attending class also?
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- Oh, yes.
- That’s nice.
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They live now across the street,
in the temple apartments.
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- In our house?
- Yes.
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That’s nice.
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Typing.
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- Now this house will facilitate our business.
- Oh, yes!
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Just opposite the temple.
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So round about.
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Therefore I asked him, “Purchase
these houses, purchase.”
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- Never mind.
- And everyone is very happy.
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So that is not lost.
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- They were paying rent elsewhere.
- Yes.
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They can pay here.
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We get our permanent tenants.
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Yes.
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- All children live there too; it’s very nice.
- So, big houses.
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Now we have got
four or five houses.
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Two houses of the Bhaktivedanta Book
Trust and three houses of M.V. Trust.
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It will be a city.
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It’s so nice; all the children
live there together; that…
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Next door there is Baladeva;
that little boy with red hair?
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- Hmm.
- Aniruddha:
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He is a blond hair and another boy with
red hair: He is next door: His best friend.
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- Hmm.
- They always play: All boys.
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And in the front house, there is
ample space back… back there…
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Yes.
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…for children’s play.
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This will facilitate… Very nice.
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And then one house after:
There is another house.
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- Yes, up on the street; on our side of street.
- Hmm.
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- Watseka.
- Yes.
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And that is Venice.
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On Venice we have got two house.
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The real… really… real estate men:
They think of us: Very, very rich.
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After purchasing these houses.
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Here also, we can have very
nice colony: In this village.
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There are so many land;
houses are for sale.
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If we can organize.
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Now you utilize this lands for
growing fruit, flower, anything:
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Whatever you can grow.
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But utilize this land.
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It doesn’t matter what you
would grow: Anything.
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