0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,882 RC LON 1973-07-19 Rasas-Variety of Liking Krishna 1 00:00:15,883 --> 00:00:18,128 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation, 2 00:00:18,129 --> 00:00:23,509 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:47,929 recorded on the 19th of July, 1973, in London, England. 4 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:54,242 PRABHUPĀDA: Paśyanti; this word is there; Yoginaḥ paśyanti: Just see. 5 00:00:54,243 --> 00:00:58,538 Dhyānāvasthita: By meditation. 6 00:00:58,539 --> 00:01:01,033 REVATĪNANDANA: This is the Sixth Chapter [of] Bhagavad-gītā? 7 00:01:01,034 --> 00:01:03,421 - Is that what you’re quoting? - No, this is in Bhāgavata. 8 00:01:03,422 --> 00:01:05,729 I see. 9 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:08,411 But that seeing… 10 00:01:08,412 --> 00:01:11,362 That seeing is not ānanda. 11 00:01:11,363 --> 00:01:14,335 Seeing is ānanda, undoubtedly, 12 00:01:14,336 --> 00:01:19,445 but seeing and talking and becoming friend: 13 00:01:19,446 --> 00:01:22,037 That is higher. 14 00:01:22,038 --> 00:01:25,503 Friend or conjugal lover, father, mother. 15 00:01:25,504 --> 00:01:33,670 That kind of seeing is different. 16 00:01:33,671 --> 00:01:38,024 If a… If… If that yogi quits his body in that condition, 17 00:01:38,025 --> 00:01:40,708 - does he attain a Vaikuṇṭha planet? - [indistinct] [break] 18 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:46,426 Is it possible that… that if… if it… if he was not… if he was… 19 00:01:46,427 --> 00:01:48,988 This is a question that sometimes a devotee has asked me. 20 00:01:48,989 --> 00:01:52,149 If a yogi does attain a Vaikuṇṭha planet, 21 00:01:52,150 --> 00:01:55,801 but by his constitutional nature he is meant to be associated 22 00:01:55,802 --> 00:02:00,929 - with Kṛṣṇa in Goloka… - No; why not with Viṣṇu? 23 00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:05,964 - But some… No… - Vaikuṇṭha is Viṣṇu: Nārāyaṇa. 24 00:02:05,965 --> 00:02:07,625 - That is also… - But… 25 00:02:07,626 --> 00:02:11,325 But there Nārāyaṇa is worshiped with awe and veneration. 26 00:02:11,326 --> 00:02:14,744 - Yeah. - He is God. 27 00:02:14,745 --> 00:02:16,703 No. 28 00:02:16,704 --> 00:02:20,338 Friendship as in Vṛndāvana. 29 00:02:20,339 --> 00:02:23,106 That is not possible. 30 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:27,082 - The… The question is like… - Vipralambha-sakhya. 31 00:02:27,083 --> 00:02:30,444 Aiśvarya, aiśvarya, opulence. 32 00:02:30,445 --> 00:02:39,791 There the Supreme Lord is taken in aiśvarya, opulences. 33 00:02:39,792 --> 00:02:42,238 Not aiśvarya-sthiti. 34 00:02:42,239 --> 00:02:50,073 In Vṛndāvana—the devotees: They practically do not know that Kṛṣṇa is God. 35 00:02:50,074 --> 00:02:54,802 “He is our very beloved friend.” 36 00:02:54,803 --> 00:02:57,555 It doesn’t care to know whether He is God or not. 37 00:02:57,556 --> 00:03:01,449 Here the concept of God. 38 00:03:01,450 --> 00:03:08,567 Vaikuṇṭha: “Oh, here is God,” with awe and veneration—respect. 39 00:03:08,568 --> 00:03:09,967 That… That I understand. 40 00:03:09,968 --> 00:03:15,607 The question is that: Supposing this yogi: He has not got full knowledge. 41 00:03:15,608 --> 00:03:21,683 He does not know of Kṛṣṇa, and therefore he is meditating on Paramātmā, 42 00:03:21,684 --> 00:03:24,048 and he attains Vaikuṇṭha. 43 00:03:24,049 --> 00:03:25,968 Is it possible that because 44 00:03:25,969 --> 00:03:28,919 - he hadn’t got full knowledge… - No, no. He has to go… 45 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:33,077 Simply by Paramātmā conception, he cannot go to Vaikuṇṭha. 46 00:03:33,078 --> 00:03:37,277 - Can he later go from Vaikuṇṭha to Goloka? - Hmm? 47 00:03:37,278 --> 00:03:42,203 - Can that happen also? - There is… There is such instances. 48 00:03:42,204 --> 00:03:44,571 But if a devotee knows Kṛṣṇa. 49 00:03:44,572 --> 00:03:46,205 If he knows of Kṛṣṇa, 50 00:03:46,206 --> 00:03:51,543 then wherever he is destined, he will go perfectly to his perfect position. 51 00:03:51,544 --> 00:03:54,272 - Just like Bhīṣma knew Kṛṣṇa… - Mad-yājino yānti mām [Bg. 9.25]. 52 00:03:54,273 --> 00:03:57,170 Kṛṣṇa devotees, they go directly. 53 00:03:57,171 --> 00:04:06,806 Especially those who are worshiping Kṛṣṇa through Caitanya Mahā… 54 00:04:06,807 --> 00:04:12,890 They directly go to Kṛṣṇaloka. 55 00:04:12,891 --> 00:04:18,335 What about like the case of Bhīṣmadeva where he knew about Kṛṣṇa in Goloka, 56 00:04:18,336 --> 00:04:25,370 - and he went to Kṛṣṇa as Pārtha-sārathi. - Kṛṣṇa… He understood Kṛṣṇa as Nārāyaṇa. 57 00:04:25,371 --> 00:04:29,985 He’ll go to Vaikuṇṭha: Bhīṣmadeva. 58 00:04:29,986 --> 00:04:35,145 Yeah, but he had full knowledge of everything as a mahājana. 59 00:04:35,146 --> 00:04:37,592 - He knew also… - But he loved Nārāyaṇa: Catur-bhuja. 60 00:04:37,593 --> 00:04:40,566 Yes; that was his constitutional position. 61 00:04:40,567 --> 00:04:44,851 That’s… That’s all right. 62 00:04:44,852 --> 00:04:49,420 Just like sometimes mādhurya-rasa 63 00:04:49,421 --> 00:04:52,152 - is the greatest humor… - Who? 64 00:04:52,153 --> 00:04:55,979 - Mādhurya-rasa—conjugal love. - Oh; yeah. 65 00:04:55,980 --> 00:05:02,183 But still, there are devotees who prefer parental love: Friendly love. 66 00:05:02,184 --> 00:05:03,798 That is liking. 67 00:05:03,799 --> 00:05:07,048 Everyone has got his own liking. 68 00:05:07,049 --> 00:05:09,921 But they are all the same. 69 00:05:09,922 --> 00:05:10,632 All the same. 70 00:05:10,633 --> 00:05:15,302 There is no difference between Kṛṣṇa devotee or Nārāyaṇa devotee. 71 00:05:15,303 --> 00:05:18,542 - They are all… But it is their liking. - Yes. 72 00:05:18,543 --> 00:05:22,853 Varieties of liking. 73 00:05:22,854 --> 00:05:26,498 Another related question that could also arose… 74 00:05:26,499 --> 00:05:31,128 These come in Bhāgavata class with the devotees ’cause they think about the 75 00:05:31,129 --> 00:05:35,077 questions and sometimes they… they come up with nice ones. 76 00:05:35,078 --> 00:05:42,183 The… When Kṛṣṇa is incarnating in His plenary incarnations like Varāha, Nṛsiṁha— 77 00:05:42,184 --> 00:05:45,118 - like that—He’s appearing… - [indistinct] of this material world. 78 00:05:45,119 --> 00:05:47,394 Yes; ah… 79 00:05:47,395 --> 00:05:53,869 And sometimes devotees become devoted to those forms. 80 00:05:53,870 --> 00:06:01,905 Are there corresponding planets in Vaikuṇṭha for those forms of incarnation? 81 00:06:01,906 --> 00:06:07,717 Is there a planet of Nṛsiṁha or Nṛsiṁha-loka in the Vaikuṇṭha sphere? 82 00:06:07,718 --> 00:06:12,862 So far [as I] know, those planets are here within this material… 83 00:06:12,863 --> 00:06:17,027 - Wherever He is appearing? - Hmm. 84 00:06:17,028 --> 00:06:21,589 Even Rāmacandra’s. 85 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:23,405 So far I have… 86 00:06:23,406 --> 00:06:30,519 On… On all the Vaikuṇṭhas, Kṛṣṇa is in His catur-bhuja: Four-armed form? 87 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,616 - But those devotees will eventually go there. - Hmm. 88 00:06:33,617 --> 00:06:37,173 Those… Those kind of devotees like devotees of Sītā-Rāma: 89 00:06:37,174 --> 00:06:39,626 They will also attain the spiritual sky 90 00:06:39,627 --> 00:06:41,905 - in their various positions. - Yes. 91 00:06:41,906 --> 00:06:48,424 - All right; thank you very much. - Hare Kṛṣṇa. [splice] 92 00:06:48,425 --> 00:06:51,245 The rascal Darwin says that it is coming from monkey. 93 00:06:51,246 --> 00:06:54,140 Why the monkey does not produce a human being? 94 00:06:54,141 --> 00:06:55,685 All rascals. 95 00:06:55,686 --> 00:07:01,164 Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad- guṇāḥ [SB 5.18.12]; simply rascals. 96 00:07:01,165 --> 00:07:03,509 His name is Neiman? 97 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:06,564 PRADYUMNA: Couldn’t get his last name… Ruby something? 98 00:07:06,565 --> 00:07:08,937 Ruby: that I… 99 00:07:08,938 --> 00:07:10,581 He’s a very nice gentleman. 100 00:07:10,582 --> 00:07:12,659 He appreciated Bhagavad-gītā. 101 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:18,453 - He said right away… Right. - Yes. 102 00:07:18,454 --> 00:07:20,532 My wife’s typing up all your lectures. 103 00:07:20,533 --> 00:07:22,373 - Hmm? - All your lectures… 104 00:07:22,374 --> 00:07:26,723 She has finished L.A. lectures; now she is typing Māyāpura lectures, 105 00:07:26,724 --> 00:07:28,018 - this lecture, that lecture. - Ah. 106 00:07:28,019 --> 00:07:32,037 She has permanent machine and typewriter in [her] apartment. 107 00:07:32,038 --> 00:07:36,982 So she types all during the day and she minds the child. 108 00:07:36,983 --> 00:07:40,354 - And then it is in the same apartment. - Attending class also? 109 00:07:40,355 --> 00:07:42,194 - Oh, yes. - That’s nice. 110 00:07:42,195 --> 00:07:44,749 They live now across the street, in the temple apartments. 111 00:07:44,750 --> 00:07:46,033 - In our house? - Yes. 112 00:07:46,034 --> 00:07:48,409 That’s nice. 113 00:07:48,410 --> 00:07:50,557 Typing. 114 00:07:50,558 --> 00:07:54,176 - Now this house will facilitate our business. - Oh, yes! 115 00:07:54,177 --> 00:07:56,478 Just opposite the temple. 116 00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,150 So round about. 117 00:07:58,151 --> 00:08:03,014 Therefore I asked him, “Purchase these houses, purchase.” 118 00:08:03,015 --> 00:08:05,323 - Never mind. - And everyone is very happy. 119 00:08:05,324 --> 00:08:06,301 So that is not lost. 120 00:08:06,302 --> 00:08:08,749 - They were paying rent elsewhere. - Yes. 121 00:08:08,750 --> 00:08:12,077 They can pay here. 122 00:08:12,078 --> 00:08:14,147 We get our permanent tenants. 123 00:08:14,148 --> 00:08:16,385 Yes. 124 00:08:16,386 --> 00:08:19,928 - All children live there too; it’s very nice. - So, big houses. 125 00:08:19,929 --> 00:08:23,686 Now we have got four or five houses. 126 00:08:23,687 --> 00:08:33,023 Two houses of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust and three houses of M.V. Trust. 127 00:08:33,024 --> 00:08:36,943 It will be a city. 128 00:08:36,944 --> 00:08:40,001 It’s so nice; all the children live there together; that… 129 00:08:40,002 --> 00:08:43,264 Next door there is Baladeva; that little boy with red hair? 130 00:08:43,265 --> 00:08:44,509 - Hmm. - Aniruddha: 131 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:48,051 He is a blond hair and another boy with red hair: He is next door: His best friend. 132 00:08:48,052 --> 00:08:50,565 - Hmm. - They always play: All boys. 133 00:08:50,566 --> 00:08:53,899 And in the front house, there is ample space back… back there… 134 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:55,220 Yes. 135 00:08:55,221 --> 00:08:57,780 …for children’s play. 136 00:08:57,781 --> 00:09:01,087 This will facilitate… Very nice. 137 00:09:01,088 --> 00:09:08,646 And then one house after: There is another house. 138 00:09:08,647 --> 00:09:12,462 - Yes, up on the street; on our side of street. - Hmm. 139 00:09:12,463 --> 00:09:15,089 - Watseka. - Yes. 140 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:17,895 And that is Venice. 141 00:09:17,896 --> 00:09:22,765 On Venice we have got two house. 142 00:09:22,766 --> 00:09:32,023 The real… really… real estate men: They think of us: Very, very rich. 143 00:09:32,024 --> 00:09:37,986 After purchasing these houses. 144 00:09:37,987 --> 00:09:44,057 Here also, we can have very nice colony: In this village. 145 00:09:44,058 --> 00:09:47,578 There are so many land; houses are for sale. 146 00:09:47,579 --> 00:09:49,105 If we can organize. 147 00:09:49,106 --> 00:09:54,886 Now you utilize this lands for growing fruit, flower, anything: 148 00:09:54,887 --> 00:09:56,336 Whatever you can grow. 149 00:09:56,337 --> 00:09:59,522 But utilize this land. 150 00:09:59,523 --> 00:10:09,805 It doesn’t matter what you would grow: Anything. 151 00:10:09,806 --> 00:10:09,807 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com