0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,949 RC PAR 1974-06-13 Russian Orthodox Church--Moral --etc 1 00:00:12,950 --> 00:00:14,916 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation, 2 00:00:14,917 --> 00:00:20,157 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:20,158 --> 00:01:07,579 recorded on the 13th of June, 1974, in Paris, France. 4 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:08,839 Prabhupāda: …Kotovsky. 5 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,709 - He is the director of Indology in Moscow. - I see. 6 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:21,829 - So my talk with was published in some… - Yes, I have this book in my office in Paris. 7 00:01:21,830 --> 00:01:29,579 But he does not believe in incarnation and he still, he is professor of Indology. 8 00:01:29,580 --> 00:01:31,090 KARANDHARA: He doesn’t believe in the soul. 9 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:34,070 Professor Kotovsky, he doesn’t believe in the existence of soul. 10 00:01:34,071 --> 00:01:36,240 CHURCH REPRESENTATIVE: But I think that he is a Marxist. 11 00:01:36,241 --> 00:01:40,300 Yes, he's a… Or at least he has to appear as one to maintain his position. 12 00:01:40,301 --> 00:01:44,980 - Prabhupāda’s point is that… - There are many professor in Russia 13 00:01:44,981 --> 00:01:51,720 of religion, on the history of religion, but who don’t believe 14 00:01:51,721 --> 00:01:54,630 - in nothing. - That was Prabhupāda’s point, 15 00:01:54,631 --> 00:01:59,263 that it’s ironic that in modern societies men are called professors, 16 00:01:59,264 --> 00:02:02,230 or being proficient in knowledge, but yet they’re ignorant of the soul, 17 00:02:02,231 --> 00:02:06,460 which is the most basic knowledge, the most fundamental knowledge. 18 00:02:06,461 --> 00:02:08,994 According to the Vedic system, Indian system, 19 00:02:08,995 --> 00:02:12,163 even a most ignorant man knows about the soul, 20 00:02:12,164 --> 00:02:14,710 what to speak of the great learned sages. 21 00:02:14,711 --> 00:02:18,759 But in this society, western society, the so-called learned men— 22 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,598 they’re supposed to be the topmost learned men— 23 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:21,760 they don’t even know of the soul. 24 00:02:21,761 --> 00:02:24,720 Therefore they’re not even in the class of an ignorant man. 25 00:02:24,721 --> 00:02:26,420 They’re lower than even ignorance. 26 00:02:26,421 --> 00:02:33,210 And according to Vedic understanding, one who does not understand what is soul— 27 00:02:33,211 --> 00:02:38,600 he identifies himself with this body —he is animal. [splice] 28 00:02:38,601 --> 00:02:47,481 So in the Vedic language, one who has taken this body as self, 29 00:02:47,482 --> 00:02:55,461 yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13], and sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu, 30 00:02:55,462 --> 00:03:03,511 and own men, the family, society, community, national, not outside that, 31 00:03:03,512 --> 00:03:07,041 sva-dhīḥ, “They are my own men.” 32 00:03:07,042 --> 00:03:11,171 sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma-ijya-dhīḥ [SB 10.84.13] 33 00:03:11,172 --> 00:03:16,751 and the land of birth worshipable, nationalism, 34 00:03:16,752 --> 00:03:20,571 yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicit [SB 10.84.13] 35 00:03:20,572 --> 00:03:26,431 And holy place, to take bath in the water of Jordan or Ganges, 36 00:03:26,432 --> 00:03:30,231 such persons are considered as go-kharaḥ. 37 00:03:30,232 --> 00:03:32,891 Go means cow, kharaḥ means ass. 38 00:03:32,892 --> 00:03:34,671 That means animals. 39 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:37,731 What is your conception of the soul? 40 00:03:37,732 --> 00:03:40,051 Do you believe in the soul? 41 00:03:40,052 --> 00:03:42,361 What do you mean by this? 42 00:03:42,362 --> 00:03:44,841 - Prabhupāda: Soul… - CHURCH REPRESENTATIVE: Yes, I know… 43 00:03:44,842 --> 00:03:47,840 I cannot say that I know what is soul. 44 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:52,184 I know that there are souls, that I have a soul. 45 00:03:52,185 --> 00:03:57,175 But I think that it’s very difficult to give adequate… 46 00:03:57,176 --> 00:04:00,211 YOGEŚVARA: He says that, he knows that he has a soul, 47 00:04:00,212 --> 00:04:04,031 but he thinks it would be hard to give an accurate definition of the soul. 48 00:04:04,032 --> 00:04:10,251 But if he knows what is soul, where is the difficulty to give definition? 49 00:04:10,252 --> 00:04:14,321 - So he says he can accept that he has a soul… - Certainly, I accept. 50 00:04:14,322 --> 00:04:19,231 But it would be hard to describe, he thinks, the nature of the soul. 51 00:04:19,232 --> 00:04:22,475 The body, which is something tangible, we can describe. 52 00:04:22,476 --> 00:04:24,723 But something of a spiritual nature like the soul, 53 00:04:24,724 --> 00:04:26,301 must be much more difficult to describe. 54 00:04:26,302 --> 00:04:31,031 You can describe it by the negative way, that soul is not body. 55 00:04:31,032 --> 00:04:36,049 Then we are still left with the problem: what is the relationship between the two? 56 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:39,141 First of all let us understand what is the soul. 57 00:04:39,142 --> 00:04:46,162 That is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit. [Bg 2.20] 58 00:04:46,163 --> 00:04:51,202 nityaḥ śāśvato ’yam na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20] 59 00:04:51,203 --> 00:04:55,972 adāhyo ’yam aśoṣyo ’yam akledyo ’yam [Bg 2.24] 60 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:57,732 Read those paragraphs. 61 00:04:57,733 --> 00:04:59,794 PUṢṬA-KṚṢṆA: na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin 62 00:04:59,795 --> 00:05:05,853 nāyaṁ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ’yaṁ purāṇo 63 00:05:05,854 --> 00:05:08,632 na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20] 64 00:05:08,633 --> 00:05:09,292 Translation. 65 00:05:09,293 --> 00:05:14,512 “Translation: For the soul there is never birth nor death. 66 00:05:14,513 --> 00:05:18,432 Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. 67 00:05:18,433 --> 00:05:24,872 He is unborn, eternal, ever- existing, undying and primeval. 68 00:05:24,873 --> 00:05:28,432 He is not slain when the body is slain.” 69 00:05:28,433 --> 00:05:33,552 vedāvināśinaṁ nityaṁ ya enam ajam avyayam 70 00:05:33,553 --> 00:05:39,292 kathaṁ sa puruṣaḥ pārtha kaṁ ghātayati hanti kam [Bg 2.21] 71 00:05:39,293 --> 00:05:42,982 “O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, 72 00:05:42,983 --> 00:05:49,552 unborn, eternal and immutable, kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?” 73 00:05:49,553 --> 00:05:52,772 But I cannot say that it is a definition. 74 00:05:52,773 --> 00:05:57,072 - Do you say in English, definition? - Yes, definition. - I cannot say that it is a definition. 75 00:05:57,073 --> 00:06:03,762 - It is a sort of creed, a profession of faith. - No, it is characteristic. - Yes… 76 00:06:03,763 --> 00:06:07,893 Definition means you mention the characteristic, that is definition. 77 00:06:07,894 --> 00:06:11,973 Definition, you mention the characteristic. 78 00:06:11,974 --> 00:06:19,043 So that can be mentioned directly, or if it is not perceivable, 79 00:06:19,044 --> 00:06:23,063 then you can define in opposite way. 80 00:06:23,064 --> 00:06:27,814 Just like we have got experience: everything in the material world, 81 00:06:27,815 --> 00:06:33,043 it is beginning, there is a beginning, your body, my body, everything— 82 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:37,573 it has got a beginning, and it has got an end. 83 00:06:37,574 --> 00:06:42,173 So it is stated, na jāyate na mriyate vā [Bg 2.20]: 84 00:06:42,174 --> 00:06:44,426 “It has no beginning, no end.” 85 00:06:44,427 --> 00:06:50,856 And nityaḥ, eternal, śāśvataḥ very old, purāṇaḥ. 86 00:06:50,857 --> 00:06:53,533 na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20] 87 00:06:53,534 --> 00:06:58,713 “It is not destroyed, annihilated, after the destruction of the body.” 88 00:06:58,714 --> 00:07:05,443 So if we accept this definition, then we can understand the soul is eternal. 89 00:07:05,444 --> 00:07:09,063 Our characteristic, if we accept these characteristics, 90 00:07:09,064 --> 00:07:13,126 na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]: after the destruction 91 00:07:13,127 --> 00:07:20,893 of body the soul is never destroyed, then you can understand the soul is eternal. 92 00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:25,473 And it is clearly stated, na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. [Bg. 2.20] 93 00:07:25,474 --> 00:07:31,593 “After the destruction of the body, it is not destroyed.” 94 00:07:31,594 --> 00:07:34,944 So, it means it takes another body. 95 00:07:34,945 --> 00:07:38,344 He says that’s not necessarily the logical conclusion. 96 00:07:38,345 --> 00:07:41,564 He says he’s familiar with that theory, but it’s more a question of faith. 97 00:07:41,565 --> 00:07:43,942 He says it’s not actually a logical conclusion, 98 00:07:43,943 --> 00:07:46,544 that if the soul leaves this body it must take another one. 99 00:07:46,545 --> 00:07:48,404 PRABHUPĀDA: What does he mean by logic? 100 00:07:48,405 --> 00:07:52,824 He says that means that it’s not something that’s very evident to me. 101 00:07:52,825 --> 00:07:56,104 It may not be evident to him, but why not others? 102 00:07:56,105 --> 00:07:59,779 He says, one thing is that, he feels kind of glad 103 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:03,684 that it’s more or less a question of opinion, because if it was Absolute Truth, 104 00:08:03,685 --> 00:08:05,944 then it would be too restricting for everyone. 105 00:08:05,945 --> 00:08:08,804 No, it is Absolute Truth. 106 00:08:08,805 --> 00:08:13,824 But there are different ways of understanding Absolute Truth. 107 00:08:13,825 --> 00:08:18,164 He is taking only one way, direct perception. 108 00:08:18,165 --> 00:08:22,459 He said, if it were an absolute truth, it would be evident to everyone. 109 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:23,174 Yes. 110 00:08:23,175 --> 00:08:26,094 But everyone is not advanced in knowledge. 111 00:08:26,095 --> 00:08:28,784 He says the question remains because there are other, 112 00:08:28,785 --> 00:08:32,704 very spiritually advanced men who don’t accept that idea. 113 00:08:32,705 --> 00:08:39,555 No, somebody may be known as spiritually advanced according to the society, 114 00:08:39,556 --> 00:08:40,775 but he may not be. 115 00:08:40,776 --> 00:08:45,955 So another thing is that what is the way of understanding the Absolute Truth. 116 00:08:45,956 --> 00:08:47,045 Let him explain. 117 00:08:47,046 --> 00:08:50,985 What is the standard way of understanding Absolute Truth? 118 00:08:50,986 --> 00:08:54,754 He says he doesn’t have an answer in that kind of a context. [splice] 119 00:08:54,755 --> 00:08:56,954 It may be problematic to some, 120 00:08:56,955 --> 00:09:04,584 but Absolute Truth can be understood by śruti, authoritative hearing. [splice] 121 00:09:04,585 --> 00:09:12,395 The Absolute Truth is known by the absolute method which is called śruti, 122 00:09:12,396 --> 00:09:14,285 hearing from the Absolute. 123 00:09:14,286 --> 00:09:18,995 Absolute cannot be imagined or speculated. 124 00:09:18,996 --> 00:09:21,205 He says that is a fundamental point. 125 00:09:21,206 --> 00:09:22,155 Yes. 126 00:09:22,156 --> 00:09:27,225 So therefore we accept Absolute Truth from the Absolute. 127 00:09:27,226 --> 00:09:32,325 And according to the Vedic system, in different times and different places, 128 00:09:32,326 --> 00:09:35,285 according to the mentality and the culture of the people, 129 00:09:35,286 --> 00:09:40,475 the Absolute has made Himself known on different levels, higher and lower levels. 130 00:09:40,476 --> 00:09:44,017 But that the… Absolute as revealed through the Vedas, 131 00:09:44,018 --> 00:09:47,605 specifically the Bhagavad-gītā, is the most advanced level. 132 00:09:47,606 --> 00:09:50,855 It is the standard by which all other levels are judged. 133 00:09:50,856 --> 00:09:52,985 It is the most advanced, complete knowledge. [splice] 134 00:09:52,986 --> 00:09:56,795 But it’s not just an opinion, it’s not just a secular idea. 135 00:09:56,796 --> 00:09:58,468 By scientific principle, 136 00:09:58,469 --> 00:10:02,173 if we consider the logic of all the propositions of Bhagavad-gītā 137 00:10:02,174 --> 00:10:04,665 in relation to the Bible and Koran, 138 00:10:04,666 --> 00:10:09,496 if we’re actually impartial and open, then we’ll understand that truth. 139 00:10:09,497 --> 00:10:12,706 It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of superior logic, 140 00:10:12,707 --> 00:10:16,686 extending the same basic truths to their highest perfection. 141 00:10:16,687 --> 00:10:19,286 So in discussing the merits of Bhagavad-gītā 142 00:10:19,287 --> 00:10:23,352 versus another scripture, it’s not that we’re trying to argue 143 00:10:23,353 --> 00:10:27,236 just for the sake of polemics but to establish the real standard, 144 00:10:27,237 --> 00:10:30,266 what is the most elevated or advanced standard of the knowledge. 145 00:10:30,267 --> 00:10:34,226 BHAGAVĀN: But people are suffering due to lack of that accurate knowledge. 146 00:10:34,227 --> 00:10:34,996 Yes. 147 00:10:34,997 --> 00:10:39,298 And our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to make that knowledge available 148 00:10:39,299 --> 00:10:42,256 in practical activity to stop this suffering. 149 00:10:42,257 --> 00:10:45,506 It is not just a philosophy without practice. 150 00:10:45,507 --> 00:10:48,656 That is the reason why it is important for discussing, 151 00:10:48,657 --> 00:10:50,678 not just for the sake of discussing, 152 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,688 but for the sake of bringing out the highest principles for action. 153 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:58,466 So [according to] Vedic way, 154 00:10:58,467 --> 00:11:01,776 Kṛṣṇa is the Absolute Truth. 155 00:11:01,777 --> 00:11:08,291 Kṛṣṇa is Absolute Truth, accepted by the ācāryas. 156 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:18,377 Indian civilization is carried on the advice of the ācārya-sampradāya. 157 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:25,520 So all the ācāryas like Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, 158 00:11:25,521 --> 00:11:29,194 they all accept Kṛṣṇa as the Absolute Truth. 159 00:11:29,195 --> 00:11:35,255 So when we hear from Kṛṣṇa, then we get absolute knowledge. 160 00:11:35,256 --> 00:11:39,796 The reason why we gather like this to discuss these principles, 161 00:11:39,797 --> 00:11:42,240 is that just like a group of scholars will gather, 162 00:11:42,241 --> 00:11:47,907 to refine and crystallize their knowledge. 163 00:11:47,908 --> 00:11:50,767 He must excuse himself, he has a prior engagement. 164 00:11:50,768 --> 00:11:54,757 - I thank you so much for your… - Hare Kṛṣṇa - I must go now. 165 00:11:54,758 --> 00:11:57,597 Hare Kṛṣṇa. 166 00:11:57,598 --> 00:12:00,157 I’d just like to finish the one point I was making, 167 00:12:00,158 --> 00:12:05,427 that the reason we gather like this and we desire to discuss with other personalities, 168 00:12:05,428 --> 00:12:08,376 other people with different views of religion, 169 00:12:08,377 --> 00:12:11,187 is for the sake of the edification of everyone, 170 00:12:11,188 --> 00:12:14,868 so that the highest principles can be isolated, 171 00:12:14,869 --> 00:12:19,542 and so we can advance the purpose of religiosity. 172 00:12:19,543 --> 00:12:22,909 It’s not simply for the sake of argument that we pose questions. 173 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:24,668 But it’s for the sake of the edification 174 00:12:24,669 --> 00:12:26,837 or the crystallization of the highest principles of religion. 175 00:12:26,838 --> 00:12:30,587 - I absolutely agree on this point, certainly. - YOGEŚVARA: He says that he’s familiar 176 00:12:30,588 --> 00:12:34,587 - with this principle. - Not so familiar, I know of it. 177 00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:38,748 He says he knows of it, but he doesn’t consider himself to be an expert. 178 00:12:38,749 --> 00:12:42,178 But because you are part of God, you have real interest in this. [splice] 179 00:12:42,179 --> 00:12:45,868 He says he’s willing to admit this philosophy even though 180 00:12:45,869 --> 00:12:48,254 he doesn’t belong to it himself. 181 00:12:48,255 --> 00:12:56,078 He sees this as being… [French] 182 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:00,468 PARAMAHAṀSA: He appreciates the fact that it has a coherent aspect, 183 00:13:00,469 --> 00:13:02,042 that it holds together logically. 184 00:13:02,043 --> 00:13:03,568 And this is what he appreciates. 185 00:13:03,569 --> 00:13:08,258 He respects the Vaiṣṇava philosophy because it is substantial. 186 00:13:08,259 --> 00:13:11,378 - It doesn’t contradict itself. - So then the… 187 00:13:11,379 --> 00:13:15,268 If the Vaiṣṇava philosophy has a systematic logic, 188 00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:19,428 then integrity would dictate that we have to surrender or accept that logic. 189 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:23,718 If a logic is true, we can’t stand apart from it and simply observe it. 190 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:25,218 We have to accept it ourselves. 191 00:13:25,219 --> 00:13:28,948 You are right on the brink of Absolute Truth, don’t run away. 192 00:13:28,949 --> 00:13:31,808 He says that even though he has a great interest in this discussion, 193 00:13:31,809 --> 00:13:38,068 - because he has prior commitments, he’s unable to stay. - That’s all right. 194 00:13:38,069 --> 00:13:42,758 - Take some prasādam. - That’s all right. He has got. 195 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:46,648 I have, I have and I have read with great interest. 196 00:13:46,649 --> 00:13:48,659 Thank you very much. 197 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:52,039 Tomorrow night we have very nice conference in Salle Pleyal. 198 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,809 I have seen in many places, I have seen you. 199 00:13:55,810 --> 00:14:04,689 - So you’re welcome to come. - Thank you 200 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:08,549 - What is his position? - He’s the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. 201 00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:12,389 He’s the head of the church but he cannot… He feels he’s not qualified 202 00:14:12,390 --> 00:14:14,603 to discuss spiritual matters. 203 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:19,154 Once last year a man in London, a professor in a religious school, 204 00:14:19,155 --> 00:14:22,968 said the same thing, and you said that according to our Vedic philosophy, 205 00:14:22,969 --> 00:14:27,275 if a teacher doesn’t know something, he should step down. 206 00:14:27,276 --> 00:14:33,679 And his answer was, “I can’t do that.” 207 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,609 It seems amazing that such fundamental questions, they remain mute, 208 00:14:38,610 --> 00:14:41,640 such people like this, who are supposed to be qualified, 209 00:14:41,641 --> 00:14:44,916 to bring other people out of their distress. 210 00:14:44,917 --> 00:14:47,669 That’s why the church now has lost everyone, 211 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:52,189 because even its leaders are saying, “I don’t know anything. 212 00:14:52,190 --> 00:14:56,799 I’m just fumbling around like everyone else, I don’t really know anything definite.” 213 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,429 - Still, he is leader? - Yes. 214 00:14:59,430 --> 00:15:01,813 The impersonalists, Lord Caitanya said 215 00:15:01,814 --> 00:15:05,480 that they are the greatest offenders to Lord Kṛṣṇa. 216 00:15:05,481 --> 00:15:08,531 So most of the so-called religious people of the world today, 217 00:15:08,532 --> 00:15:13,004 if they have a conception of God, it is that God is impersonal spirit. 218 00:15:13,005 --> 00:15:14,890 Does that mean they are to be classified, 219 00:15:14,891 --> 00:15:20,100 at least in terms of this understanding, amongst the demons and asuras? 220 00:15:20,101 --> 00:15:24,590 No, in this instance this man is… It’s not as much that he’s an impersonalist 221 00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:27,480 as that he has no clear idea one way or the other. 222 00:15:27,481 --> 00:15:29,045 He’s ignorant. 223 00:15:29,046 --> 00:15:33,516 An impersonalist is someone in the classic sense who has… He’s aware 224 00:15:33,517 --> 00:15:35,820 of the Vaiṣṇava philosophy, but he rejects that, 225 00:15:35,821 --> 00:15:39,870 that God is definitely not a person, and he takes that as being a lower conception. 226 00:15:39,871 --> 00:15:42,851 In ignorance, though, even though he’s in ignorance, 227 00:15:42,852 --> 00:15:47,100 he is hurting people due to his ignorance by… 228 00:15:47,101 --> 00:15:51,090 He’s claiming to be a teacher, and even though he may be innocent or ignorant, 229 00:15:51,091 --> 00:15:56,960 because he’s in that position of leader, he’s actually hurting people, wasting their life. 230 00:15:56,961 --> 00:15:57,924 FRENCH DEVOTEE: He left, Śrīla Prabhupāda, 231 00:15:57,925 --> 00:16:05,910 - because he was very afraid that we were right. - No, he said he had another engagement. 232 00:16:05,911 --> 00:16:07,400 In the world today it seems as if, 233 00:16:07,401 --> 00:16:13,830 just like men take advantage of women and make them topless and bottomless, 234 00:16:13,831 --> 00:16:18,750 also they try and encourage people like this to be leaders of religion. 235 00:16:18,751 --> 00:16:21,971 That way the mass of people don’t take any real interest. 236 00:16:21,972 --> 00:16:23,567 They do this in Russia too. 237 00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:27,323 And they kill the sincere religious leaders, 238 00:16:27,324 --> 00:16:29,681 and they put their own men as religious leader, 239 00:16:29,682 --> 00:16:34,246 and it just sort of undermines the whole purity, 240 00:16:34,247 --> 00:16:37,881 and the importance in the instruction, and then no one repeats it. 241 00:16:37,882 --> 00:16:41,911 In the West also, in the past ten years there’s been a resurgence 242 00:16:41,912 --> 00:16:44,670 of what’s called fundamentalism. 243 00:16:44,671 --> 00:16:49,923 For so long the Christian doctrine, got so hodge-podge and so wishy-washy, 244 00:16:49,924 --> 00:16:52,634 that people were leaving because there was simply nothing there solid 245 00:16:52,635 --> 00:16:54,589 for them to grasp onto. 246 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:59,097 Now fundamentalism, or the very basic principles that God is the Almighty, 247 00:16:59,098 --> 00:17:01,847 and that we are sinners and if we don’t repent, 248 00:17:01,848 --> 00:17:06,680 God’s going to strike us down with wrath and anger, 249 00:17:06,681 --> 00:17:11,671 that basic principle of fear of God, that is receiving new support. 250 00:17:11,672 --> 00:17:14,467 Many people are coming back to that because even though it’s, 251 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:18,048 it's a very vague thing, still it’s something definite. 252 00:17:18,049 --> 00:17:22,069 “God is there, and if I do something wrong, He’s going to cut me down,” 253 00:17:22,070 --> 00:17:24,175 rather than, “Well, nothing’s wrong, nothing’s right,” 254 00:17:24,176 --> 00:17:26,345 it’s all hodge-podge, wish wash. 255 00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:29,531 People can’t grasp onto that, there’s nothing for them to eh… 256 00:17:29,532 --> 00:17:35,983 That is Māyāvāda, “nothing wrong, nothing right, everything is all right.” 257 00:17:35,984 --> 00:17:38,932 Vivekananda’s philosophy. 258 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:41,876 Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think we’ll leave around 7:30, 259 00:17:41,877 --> 00:17:54,392 - so perhaps you can take a little rest before the engagement. - Hmm… 260 00:17:54,393 --> 00:17:54,394 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Jitarati Dāsa & Pratyatoṣa Dāsa