RC TOK 1975-01-27 'Mixture' Means Mixer
ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation.
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 27th of January, 1975, in Tokyo, Japan.
PRABHUPĀDA: …flowers, fruits, oh the temperature is changing; it is rotating.
Very fixed up, very timely.
How can you say there is no control?
How can you say?
The animals cannot say, but any human being can… hmm… can say,
“There is control; otherwise how things are going on like this?” [splice]
“…there is no controller.”
asatyam… jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8]
Where is that verse? find out:
jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8]
NITĀI: That’s text 8. - Ahh; what does it say?
It says, asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ te, jagad āhur anīśvaram
aparaspara-sambhūtaṁ kim anyat kāma-haitukam [Bg. 16.8]
Translation.
“They say that this world is unreal,
that there is no foundation and there is no God in control.
It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust.”
They think… The asura… The distinction between asura and sura.
The asura will say, “There is no control.”
Anīśvaram.
Īśvaram means controller.
Anīśvaram means without any controller.
Then how it has come into existence? How it is working so nicely?
So, they answer it: kāma- haitukam [Bg 16.8].
Kāma-haitukam means just like a man and woman mix… mix together,
then there is sex desire and there is a production of child.
There is no question of controlling.
It is timely interaction of different elements.
This is called kāma-haitukam.
So what is that other?
Asatyam…
- Asatyam a…. - And others…
Other atheists in the dress of very good sannyāsī: They said, jagad mithyā; mithyā.
But they say also, brahma satya; they accept Brahmān.
They are not so atheist; at least they accept.
Then?
- Jagad āhur anīśvaram [Bg. 16.8]. - Ah, Jagad āhur anīśvaram.
There is no God.
It has come automatically by interaction.
But even it is so, how the interaction is taking place? That is intell… intelligence.
Interaction… Just like acid and alkali.
They say oil and caustic soda.
These are two chemicals and mixing them: Interaction.
The result is soap.
Accepting this principle…
But there must be a mixer: A person who is mixing.
Otherwise, how the soap and oil is being mixed?
The soap is there and the oil is there and the caustic soda is also there…
That is material ingredient.
But they are not coming together automatically.
That is not possible.
Where is the evidence?
There are so many soap factories.
And let them keep oil and caustic soda and there is no question of labor.
Let them become soap?
Where is that evidence?
But these rascals say like that.
aparaspara-sambhūtam [Bg 16.8]
Interaction of the two things.
But where is the interaction of two things
unless it is arranged by some third element?
Where is the evidence?
So these are foolish theories: That there is no God.
Things are taking place automatically and things are coming out.
These are all foolish theories.
There is no evidence.
Pramāṇa; there must be evidence.
Otherwise…
Just like science means simply not to see observation that things are taking place…
But experiment.
It must be substantiated by experiment.
Just like theoretically—everyone knows— that two chemicals: soda and alkali
mixes together and there is interaction—effervescence.
But who is mixing this alkali and acid?
There must be.
Therefore, the answer is there in the Bhagavad-gītā:
mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ suyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10]
“Under My superintendence.”
That is God.
Under God’s superintendence things are coming.
parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8]
He has got many multi powers and… hmm… I mean to say… energies.
They are working.
Just like in nowadays electronic.
You type your “a”
and thousand miles away another typewriter will strike immediately
“a;” is it not?
- It is called? What is called? PARAMAHAṀSA: Telex.
Telex?
- Not Telex; Telex is also on the same thing. DEVOTEES: Teletype.
Teletype; yes.
You push here “a” and the other end the “a” will immediately strike.
There is no need of another person typing.
But how it is being done?
There is electronic arrangement by higher scientist.
Not that… Ordinary typewriter will not… There.
Suppose if you keep one typewriter at your brother’s place and you push it here.
Will it strike there?
Why? Because there is no arrangement.
There is no arrangement.
So these are common sense but the rascals will not understand.
That without a touch of the living entity nothing can be done.
The supreme living entity is Kṛṣṇa.
Therefore it is said, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ suyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10].
“I am the cause of the material energy working.”
Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate; there is parasya śaktiḥ.
Now who can explain how this flower has come into existence?
There is same thing.
The energy of Kṛṣṇa is working.
Just like you want to paint one nice flower.
So you have to take the brush and the color and you have to endeavor.
Not that automatically coming: This beautiful flower.
So how do you think this beautiful flower has come automatically?
This is foolishness.
There is also the brush, the paint,
but it is so perfect that just like you cannot see how the other typewriter is striking.
You cannot say it is automatically striking.
There is arrangement.
But this arrangement you do not understand.
Therefore you are foolish,
you are thinking that this typewriter is striking automatically.
It is not automatically.
Here the other typewriter it is stroken
and there is electric arrangement and it is striking.
So you have to understand like… That is sura.
And asura: They will say, “No, there is no God.
It is taking automatically, it is going on;” this is foolishness.
Asura means foolish: First- class foolish; that’s all.
Why it has become so?
That is explained here.
That they do not know how to behave:
…nāpi cācāro na satyaṁ teṣu vidyate [Bg 16.7]
Neither they know what is the actual truth.
They are defective themself and they are explaining in the defective way
that so many rascal chemists they say that the chemical evolution is the cause of life.
What is this nonsense?
Chemical evolution: You get the chemicals and make experiment: Produce life!
Then your proposal is all right that by chemical evolution there is life. [splice]
So why do you talk foolishly like that?
This should be challenged that “You are foolish number one.” [splice]
…try to obstruct us,
because if everyone becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious then they can’t cheat anyone.
Now Acyutānanda Swami: He went to some place.
There was a big sannyāsī.
Very well-known sannyāsī.
So, he went to sell some books in their āśrama.
So one of his student[s]— one of his disciple[s]:
He canvassed Acyutānanda, “Why don’t you ask some question to Swamiji?”
He clearly said, “I have nothing to question from your Swamiji.
I know better than him.”
So actually bring any so-called yogis, swamis or incarnation.
Our student will challenge him.
He does not know anything.
We have got such a nice book of knowledge: Bhagavad-gītā.
By the arguments and [indistinct] in the Bhagavad-gītā
we can capture all these rascals and nonsense.
Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com