0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,999 RC VRN 1973-10-31 Glories of the Supreme Lord 1 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,289 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation 2 00:00:18,290 --> 00:00:23,807 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,808 --> 00:00:47,721 recorded on the 31st of October, 1973, in Vṛndāvana, India. 4 00:00:47,722 --> 00:00:50,130 PRABHUPĀDA: Kṛṣṇa says that 5 00:00:50,131 --> 00:00:53,066 bhūmir āpo ’nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano… 6 00:00:53,067 --> 00:00:55,124 bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg 7.4] 7 00:00:55,125 --> 00:00:57,680 It has emanated from Kṛṣṇa. 8 00:00:57,681 --> 00:01:00,244 yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante [Taittiréya Upaniñad 3.1.1] 9 00:01:00,245 --> 00:01:03,504 This is the statement of the Vedas and… 10 00:01:03,505 --> 00:01:07,230 So, how would you explain 11 00:01:07,231 --> 00:01:17,872 that a person can produce such huge quantity of material things? 12 00:01:17,873 --> 00:01:25,036 At least to make them understand how it is produced from the person. 13 00:01:25,037 --> 00:01:26,723 These are to [be] scientifically explained: 14 00:01:26,724 --> 00:01:31,731 Wherefrom so much vast mass of water came? 15 00:01:31,732 --> 00:01:35,139 That you have to explain scientifically. 16 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:36,846 Otherwise how they will accept? 17 00:01:36,847 --> 00:01:39,984 Simply by saying, “It has come from Kṛṣṇa;” they will not accept. 18 00:01:39,985 --> 00:01:41,627 GUEST: Yes. 19 00:01:41,628 --> 00:01:44,345 We have to convince them about the method of approach. 20 00:01:44,346 --> 00:01:48,755 - -Huh? Yes. -We have to convince them that these [indistinct]. 21 00:01:48,756 --> 00:01:54,196 If these boys, in their scientific language, they try to convince, 22 00:01:54,197 --> 00:01:56,924 - that will be more effective. - More effective; yes. 23 00:01:56,925 --> 00:02:01,264 We are generally speaking that “Water has come from Kṛṣṇa,” 24 00:02:01,265 --> 00:02:04,107 or “The earth has come from Kṛṣṇa.” 25 00:02:04,108 --> 00:02:06,023 That may be blind. 26 00:02:06,024 --> 00:02:10,613 But if it is scientifically presented, how it has come from Kṛṣṇa, 27 00:02:10,614 --> 00:02:12,735 they cannot refute so easily. 28 00:02:12,736 --> 00:02:18,631 That I am engaging this doctor of chemistry, Svarūpa Dāmodara 29 00:02:18,632 --> 00:02:21,669 and Rāya Rāmānanda. 30 00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:25,345 Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s two personal associates, 31 00:02:25,346 --> 00:02:30,459 - Svarūpa Dāmodara and Rāmānanda. - Yes; [indistinct] yes. 32 00:02:30,460 --> 00:02:36,580 Very strange coincidence. 33 00:02:36,581 --> 00:02:39,455 What is that verse? 34 00:02:39,456 --> 00:02:46,339 idaṁ hi puṁsas… śrutasya… [SB 1.5.22] 35 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:48,696 Find out this verse. 36 00:02:48,697 --> 00:02:51,963 You have to find out the… No, no, from here. 37 00:02:51,964 --> 00:02:55,589 You have to take the index. 38 00:02:55,590 --> 00:03:00,040 Where is Paṇḍita? Paṇḍita is not here? 39 00:03:00,041 --> 00:03:03,080 Where is Paṇḍita? Pradyumna. 40 00:03:03,081 --> 00:03:04,541 You call him paṇḍita? 41 00:03:04,542 --> 00:03:08,337 - Yes. - Rightly so. 42 00:03:08,338 --> 00:03:15,159 He is American paṇḍita. 43 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,274 - Paṇḍitjī? - ŚRUTAKĪRTI: He is out. 44 00:03:17,275 --> 00:03:19,610 - Oh, he’s out. - He’s out. 45 00:03:19,611 --> 00:03:24,430 He came to me today—asked for a copy of Harināmāmṛta-vyākaraṇa, 46 00:03:24,431 --> 00:03:26,682 - which we have… - You find out the verse: 47 00:03:26,683 --> 00:03:30,307 Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā. 48 00:03:30,308 --> 00:03:38,818 idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ 49 00:03:38,819 --> 00:03:46,763 avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam [SB 1.5.22] 50 00:03:46,764 --> 00:03:48,374 This is required. 51 00:03:48,375 --> 00:03:50,324 If you are a great scientist… 52 00:03:50,325 --> 00:03:51,291 [aside] You didn’t. 53 00:03:51,292 --> 00:03:56,307 - Just glorify the qualities of Uttama-śloka. - Yes. 54 00:03:56,308 --> 00:03:59,081 - Then it is perfect. - Yeah. 55 00:03:59,082 --> 00:04:03,550 You simply remain a scientist among some people, 56 00:04:03,551 --> 00:04:10,503 but you cannot describe about Kṛṣṇa, then your scientific knowledge… 57 00:04:10,504 --> 00:04:16,212 idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā [SB 1.5.22] 58 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:21,280 tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sūktasya sviṣṭasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ 59 00:04:21,281 --> 00:04:25,683 nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅki… [SB 1.5.11] 60 00:04:25,684 --> 00:04:33,905 What is that? 61 00:04:33,906 --> 00:04:36,783 - This verse is very important verse. - Very important. 62 00:04:36,784 --> 00:04:37,637 Ahh. 63 00:04:37,638 --> 00:04:43,245 Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā… Svistasya suktasya. 64 00:04:43,246 --> 00:04:48,408 Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā 65 00:04:48,409 --> 00:04:51,169 - sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ [SB 1.5.22] - It’s packed. 66 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:52,501 - Huh? - It’s packed. 67 00:04:52,502 --> 00:04:55,050 GURUDĀSA: That volume is packed, Śrīla Prabhupāda. - All right. 68 00:04:55,051 --> 00:05:00,255 nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yac [SB 1.5.11] 69 00:05:00,256 --> 00:05:04,371 avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ [SB 1.5.22] 70 00:05:04,372 --> 00:05:08,576 Nirūpita means it is already decided. 71 00:05:08,577 --> 00:05:13,048 The perfection of your education is this. 72 00:05:13,049 --> 00:05:19,677 What is that? Nāmāny anantasya; anantasya. 73 00:05:19,678 --> 00:05:22,653 Yaśaḥ aṅkitāni. 74 00:05:22,654 --> 00:05:25,097 - Yaśaḥ. - Hmm. 75 00:05:25,098 --> 00:05:26,542 - That is perfection. - That is… 76 00:05:26,543 --> 00:05:29,720 If you scientific knowledge, philosophical knowledge; 77 00:05:29,721 --> 00:05:35,336 cannot establish the glories of the Supreme Lord… 78 00:05:35,337 --> 00:05:37,627 - Then they are useless. - Useless. 79 00:05:37,628 --> 00:05:42,023 avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ [SB 1.5.11] 80 00:05:42,024 --> 00:05:43,818 It is already there. 81 00:05:43,819 --> 00:05:46,607 Nirūpita means there is no argument. 82 00:05:46,608 --> 00:05:52,364 - It is already concluded. Nirūpita. - Hmm. Yes. 83 00:05:52,365 --> 00:05:55,152 Your business is not to prove or disprove, but to glorify Him. 84 00:05:55,153 --> 00:05:57,716 - Yes, by your knowledge. - Glorify Him; by your knowledge. 85 00:05:57,717 --> 00:05:59,960 If you are scientist, you are chemist, 86 00:05:59,961 --> 00:06:05,857 through chemical challenge you try to glorify the Supreme Lord. 87 00:06:05,858 --> 00:06:09,429 If you are [physicist], from physical point of view. 88 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:11,375 [If] you are scientist… 89 00:06:11,376 --> 00:06:13,409 Anyway, those ultimate… 90 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:16,458 vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15] 91 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:20,534 Any knowledge, that is… You have to approve the Supreme. 92 00:06:20,535 --> 00:06:24,668 That is real perfection. 93 00:06:24,669 --> 00:06:31,169 At the present moment men of knowledge they are rejecting. 94 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:35,948 Because they cannot explain, they are rejecting. 95 00:06:35,949 --> 00:06:40,616 - They do not bother. - They do not bother. 96 00:06:40,617 --> 00:06:45,044 - Modern science has cleared the deck very much… - Huh? 97 00:06:45,045 --> 00:06:46,591 for religion. 98 00:06:46,592 --> 00:06:49,989 Modern science has cleared the deck very much for religion. 99 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:55,216 They are not so dogmatic as the old scientists used to be. 100 00:06:55,217 --> 00:06:57,211 What do they say now? 101 00:06:57,212 --> 00:07:01,484 - Well, you see, the modern scientific discoveries - Hmm. 102 00:07:01,485 --> 00:07:11,113 have led to the stage at which the science can no more say that religion is humbug. 103 00:07:11,114 --> 00:07:13,308 Now they say, “Well, we do not know.” 104 00:07:13,309 --> 00:07:15,479 “Honestly speaking, that is the position,” they say. 105 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,285 - That is good. - Yes. 106 00:07:17,286 --> 00:07:21,982 “We do not know; we know thus far and not beyond.” 107 00:07:21,983 --> 00:07:24,549 That’s a great achievement; that’s a great achievement. 108 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:31,485 No, they… At least, they should not teach—because they do not know. 109 00:07:31,486 --> 00:07:35,595 Ha; well, the topmost scientists… 110 00:07:35,596 --> 00:07:37,633 - The topmost scientists are much saner now. - Yes. 111 00:07:37,634 --> 00:07:40,412 - Yes, but the best thing will be, they… - They don’t make any garbage… 112 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:43,118 - They may not talk all nonsense. - They… They don’t talk nonsense. …don’t talk. 113 00:07:43,119 --> 00:07:48,267 - They do not know… - Yes, “Matter is I know not what.” 114 00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:53,914 So no more dogmatism; no more dogmatism. 115 00:07:53,915 --> 00:07:59,461 So you can distribute some Prasāda. 116 00:07:59,462 --> 00:08:09,199 idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ 117 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,138 avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam [SB 1.5.22] 118 00:08:15,139 --> 00:08:18,486 Yes; another verse there is: 119 00:08:18,487 --> 00:08:25,359 tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api 120 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:37,409 nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yat śṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ [SB 1.5.11] 121 00:08:37,410 --> 00:08:37,411 Subtitles by Pratyatoṣa Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com