RC VRN 1973-10-31 Glories of the Supreme Lord
ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
recorded on the 31st of October, 1973, in Vṛndāvana, India.
PRABHUPĀDA: Kṛṣṇa says that
bhūmir āpo ’nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano…
bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg 7.4]
It has emanated from Kṛṣṇa.
yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante [Taittiréya Upaniñad 3.1.1]
This is the statement of the Vedas and…
So, how would you explain
that a person can produce such huge quantity of material things?
At least to make them understand how it is produced from the person.
These are to [be] scientifically explained:
Wherefrom so much vast mass of water came?
That you have to explain scientifically.
Otherwise how they will accept?
Simply by saying, “It has come from Kṛṣṇa;” they will not accept.
GUEST: Yes.
We have to convince them about the method of approach.
- -Huh? Yes. -We have to convince them that these [indistinct].
If these boys, in their scientific language, they try to convince,
- that will be more effective. - More effective; yes.
We are generally speaking that “Water has come from Kṛṣṇa,”
or “The earth has come from Kṛṣṇa.”
That may be blind.
But if it is scientifically presented, how it has come from Kṛṣṇa,
they cannot refute so easily.
That I am engaging this doctor of chemistry, Svarūpa Dāmodara
and Rāya Rāmānanda.
Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s two personal associates,
- Svarūpa Dāmodara and Rāmānanda. - Yes; [indistinct] yes.
Very strange coincidence.
What is that verse?
idaṁ hi puṁsas… śrutasya… [SB 1.5.22]
Find out this verse.
You have to find out the… No, no, from here.
You have to take the index.
Where is Paṇḍita? Paṇḍita is not here?
Where is Paṇḍita? Pradyumna.
You call him paṇḍita?
- Yes. - Rightly so.
He is American paṇḍita.
- Paṇḍitjī? - ŚRUTAKĪRTI: He is out.
- Oh, he’s out. - He’s out.
He came to me today—asked for a copy of Harināmāmṛta-vyākaraṇa,
- which we have… - You find out the verse:
Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā.
idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam [SB 1.5.22]
This is required.
If you are a great scientist…
[aside] You didn’t.
- Just glorify the qualities of Uttama-śloka. - Yes.
- Then it is perfect. - Yeah.
You simply remain a scientist among some people,
but you cannot describe about Kṛṣṇa, then your scientific knowledge…
idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā [SB 1.5.22]
tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sūktasya sviṣṭasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅki… [SB 1.5.11]
What is that?
- This verse is very important verse. - Very important.
Ahh.
Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā… Svistasya suktasya.
Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
- sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ [SB 1.5.22] - It’s packed.
- Huh? - It’s packed.
GURUDĀSA: That volume is packed, Śrīla Prabhupāda. - All right.
nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yac [SB 1.5.11]
avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ [SB 1.5.22]
Nirūpita means it is already decided.
The perfection of your education is this.
What is that? Nāmāny anantasya; anantasya.
Yaśaḥ aṅkitāni.
- Yaśaḥ. - Hmm.
- That is perfection. - That is…
If you scientific knowledge, philosophical knowledge;
cannot establish the glories of the Supreme Lord…
- Then they are useless. - Useless.
avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ [SB 1.5.11]
It is already there.
Nirūpita means there is no argument.
- It is already concluded. Nirūpita. - Hmm. Yes.
Your business is not to prove or disprove, but to glorify Him.
- Yes, by your knowledge. - Glorify Him; by your knowledge.
If you are scientist, you are chemist,
through chemical challenge you try to glorify the Supreme Lord.
If you are [physicist], from physical point of view.
[If] you are scientist…
Anyway, those ultimate…
vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15]
Any knowledge, that is… You have to approve the Supreme.
That is real perfection.
At the present moment men of knowledge they are rejecting.
Because they cannot explain, they are rejecting.
- They do not bother. - They do not bother.
- Modern science has cleared the deck very much… - Huh?
for religion.
Modern science has cleared the deck very much for religion.
They are not so dogmatic as the old scientists used to be.
What do they say now?
- Well, you see, the modern scientific discoveries - Hmm.
have led to the stage at which the science can no more say that religion is humbug.
Now they say, “Well, we do not know.”
“Honestly speaking, that is the position,” they say.
- That is good. - Yes.
“We do not know; we know thus far and not beyond.”
That’s a great achievement; that’s a great achievement.
No, they… At least, they should not teach—because they do not know.
Ha; well, the topmost scientists…
- The topmost scientists are much saner now. - Yes.
- Yes, but the best thing will be, they… - They don’t make any garbage…
- They may not talk all nonsense. - They… They don’t talk nonsense. …don’t talk.
- They do not know… - Yes, “Matter is I know not what.”
So no more dogmatism; no more dogmatism.
So you can distribute some Prasāda.
idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam [SB 1.5.22]
Yes; another verse there is:
tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api
nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yat śṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ [SB 1.5.11]
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