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RC VRN 1973-10-31 Glories of the Supreme Lord
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 31st of October,
1973, in Vṛndāvana, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Kṛṣṇa says that
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bhūmir āpo ’nalo vāyuḥ
khaṁ mano…
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bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā
[Bg 7.4]
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It has emanated from Kṛṣṇa.
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yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante
[Taittiréya Upaniñad 3.1.1]
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This is the statement
of the Vedas and…
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So, how would you explain
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that a person can produce such
huge quantity of material things?
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At least to make them understand
how it is produced from the person.
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These are to [be]
scientifically explained:
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Wherefrom so much vast
mass of water came?
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That you have to
explain scientifically.
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Otherwise how they will accept?
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Simply by saying, “It has come
from Kṛṣṇa;” they will not accept.
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GUEST: Yes.
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We have to convince them
about the method of approach.
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- -Huh? Yes.
-We have to convince them that these [indistinct].
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If these boys, in their scientific
language, they try to convince,
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- that will be more effective.
- More effective; yes.
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We are generally speaking that
“Water has come from Kṛṣṇa,”
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or “The earth has
come from Kṛṣṇa.”
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That may be blind.
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But if it is scientifically presented,
how it has come from Kṛṣṇa,
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they cannot refute so easily.
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That I am engaging this doctor
of chemistry, Svarūpa Dāmodara
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and Rāya Rāmānanda.
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Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s
two personal associates,
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- Svarūpa Dāmodara and Rāmānanda.
- Yes; [indistinct] yes.
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Very strange coincidence.
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What is that verse?
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idaṁ hi puṁsas…
śrutasya…
[SB 1.5.22]
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Find out this verse.
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You have to find out
the… No, no, from here.
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You have to take the index.
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Where is Paṇḍita?
Paṇḍita is not here?
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Where is Paṇḍita? Pradyumna.
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You call him paṇḍita?
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- Yes.
- Rightly so.
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He is American paṇḍita.
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- Paṇḍitjī?
- ŚRUTAKĪRTI: He is out.
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- Oh, he’s out.
- He’s out.
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He came to me today—asked for a
copy of Harināmāmṛta-vyākaraṇa,
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- which we have…
- You find out the verse:
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Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā.
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idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
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avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito
yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam
[SB 1.5.22]
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This is required.
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If you are a great scientist…
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[aside] You didn’t.
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- Just glorify the qualities of Uttama-śloka.
- Yes.
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- Then it is perfect.
- Yeah.
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You simply remain a scientist
among some people,
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but you cannot describe about Kṛṣṇa,
then your scientific knowledge…
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idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
[SB 1.5.22]
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tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sūktasya
sviṣṭasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
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nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅki…
[SB 1.5.11]
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What is that?
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- This verse is very important verse.
- Very important.
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Ahh.
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Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ
śrutasya vā… Svistasya suktasya.
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Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
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- sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ [SB 1.5.22]
- It’s packed.
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- Huh?
- It’s packed.
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GURUDĀSA: That volume is packed, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
- All right.
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nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yac
[SB 1.5.11]
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avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ
[SB 1.5.22]
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Nirūpita means it
is already decided.
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The perfection of
your education is this.
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What is that? Nāmāny
anantasya; anantasya.
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Yaśaḥ aṅkitāni.
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- Yaśaḥ.
- Hmm.
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- That is perfection.
- That is…
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If you scientific knowledge,
philosophical knowledge;
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cannot establish the glories
of the Supreme Lord…
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- Then they are useless.
- Useless.
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avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ
[SB 1.5.11]
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It is already there.
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Nirūpita means there
is no argument.
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- It is already concluded. Nirūpita.
- Hmm. Yes.
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Your business is not to prove
or disprove, but to glorify Him.
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- Yes, by your knowledge.
- Glorify Him; by your knowledge.
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If you are scientist,
you are chemist,
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through chemical challenge you
try to glorify the Supreme Lord.
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If you are [physicist], from
physical point of view.
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[If] you are scientist…
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Anyway, those ultimate…
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vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam
[Bg. 15.15]
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Any knowledge, that is… You
have to approve the Supreme.
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That is real perfection.
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At the present moment men of
knowledge they are rejecting.
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Because they cannot
explain, they are rejecting.
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- They do not bother.
- They do not bother.
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- Modern science has cleared the deck very much…
- Huh?
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for religion.
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Modern science has cleared
the deck very much for religion.
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They are not so dogmatic as
the old scientists used to be.
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What do they say now?
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- Well, you see, the modern scientific discoveries
- Hmm.
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have led to the stage at which the science
can no more say that religion is humbug.
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Now they say, “Well,
we do not know.”
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“Honestly speaking, that
is the position,” they say.
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- That is good.
- Yes.
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“We do not know; we know
thus far and not beyond.”
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That’s a great achievement;
that’s a great achievement.
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No, they… At least, they should not
teach—because they do not know.
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Ha; well, the topmost scientists…
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- The topmost scientists are much saner now.
- Yes.
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- Yes, but the best thing will be, they…
- They don’t make any garbage…
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- They may not talk all nonsense.
- They… They don’t talk nonsense. …don’t talk.
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- They do not know…
- Yes, “Matter is I know not what.”
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So no more dogmatism;
no more dogmatism.
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So you can distribute
some Prasāda.
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idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
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avicyuto ’rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito
yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam
[SB 1.5.22]
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Yes; another verse there is:
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tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo
yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api
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nāmāny anantasya yaśo ’ṅkitāni yat
śṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ
[SB 1.5.11]
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