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RC VRN 1976-09-07 Spiritual Happiness and Suicidal Monkey
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ANNOUNCER: Next are excerpts from a conversation
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with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on September 7th, 1976, in Vṛndāvana, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: Bhaktivinoda
Ṭhākura has said, ei ’ta kali-celā.
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Here is a disciple of Kali.
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Nāke tilaka galāi mālā
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But has got a tilaka on the forehead and neckbeads on the neck.
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But is Kali-celā—number one disciple of Kali.
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You know this song?
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Kali-celā.
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These persons who are committing sinful
life—don’t say anyone [laughs] or publish—
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there was a trouble.
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But that’s a fact.
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Those who are living in Vṛndāvana and
acting like monkey, they’ll get next life —
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a monkey. To remain in Vṛndāvana, and then
next life they will be liberated.
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In one life all their sinful activities will be punished.
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Because as soon as animal life is obtained,
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there is no more further record of the sinful life.
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The animals cannot make sinful activities
more than what is destined by him.
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But their sinful activity is not taken into account.
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For this man who is offered this monkey’s body,
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he suffers the inconvenience of monkey life.
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So his sinful activities are counteracted,
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and because he came to Vṛndāvana and lived
in Vṛndāvana
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by the mercy of Rādhārāṇī, next life he will be…
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That is the glory of Vṛndāvana-dhāma.
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Otherwise what is the explanation
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of these dogs and hogs and monkeys in Vṛndāvana?
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If it is dhāma-aparādha, committing offense in dhāma.
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Dhāma-aparādha. As dhāma-bhajana,
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if one undergoes devotional service out of Vṛndāvana
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and one executes devotional service in Vṛndāvana,
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that is hundred times better.
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Similarly dhāma-aparādha also.
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This aparādha, when offense is
committed outside Vṛndāvana,
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that is not so grievous as
committing offense in Vṛndāvana.
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Dhāma-aparādha.
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So the punishment is there, but the reward is also there.
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One life makes pardoned.
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Tat te ’nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇo
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bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam [SB 10.14.8].
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Therefore a devotee in a reverse condition
of life, he understands that “I am punished.
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Little punished for my previous mischievous activities.
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So now I am becoming liberated.”
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So he becomes more enthused to worship the Lord,
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that “You are finishing my sinful
reaction of life with slight punishment.
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Thank you very much.
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This is devotee.
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tat te ’nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇaḥ
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HARIKEŚA: The dogs and monkeys, they feel grateful?
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Yes, when they
come to sense they feel grateful.
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As dogs they cannot.
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As dog or monkey they cannot
enhance their sinful activities.
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It is stopped.
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And whatever they do, that is not taken into account.
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And to suffer as dog or monkey
means counteracting all previous sins.
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One punishment finished.
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Then he’s fully liberated.
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I was always wondering that if
somebody’s desire is to commit sinful activities…
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No, in Kali-yuga
if you desire it is not sinful. And act…
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If they desire to commit sinful
activities and before they became monkeys,
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but then they were doing it then.
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So whilst they’re monkeys their desire must change.
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Or is it forced, that change forced
upon them by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa?
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But if desire
changes, then where is punishment?
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If he’s repentant, then there is no punishment.
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So before they go back to the
spiritual world that desire must change.
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This is forceful change.
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That is the advantage of Vṛndāvana bhajana.
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That is very good.
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But not that
willfully do something wrong.
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There is punish… There is punishment.
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If one unconsciously, without any knowledge,
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does something wrong, that is excused.
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But they do willfully.
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They know it is wrong, but still they do it.
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That is punished.
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Knowingly.
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Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally
said, asat eka strī-saṅgī.
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Those who are habituated to illicit sex are punishable.
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Asat.
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It is very, very bad.
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And still if somebody does like that, he is punished.
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This is going on. “All right.”
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Here illicit sex… The bābājīs, I heard,
they say, “What is the wrong there? It is love.”
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They say like that.
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They take it as love.
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Gopī’s love,” they say.
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Gopī’s used to do that, used to have
illicit mixing,
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intermingling with Kṛṣṇa. What is wrong?” They’ll say.
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They get support from Kṛṣṇa līlā.
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Such rogues they are.
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Sahajiyās.
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There are many so-called gentlemen, they
write books on Kṛṣṇa līlā, paint picture.”
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This is very nice.
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Kṛṣṇa is advocating illicit intermingling.”
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They take it as support of their sinful activities.
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I have seen personally.
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Anyone who is a woman-hunter,
he’s being addressed by his friend,
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“Oh, you are like Kṛṣṇa.”
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They take Kṛṣṇa as a man.
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How they will take instruction of Kṛṣṇa?
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avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ” “paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ [Bg
9.11]
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We are teaching people to become Kṛṣṇa conscious,
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to become servant of Kṛṣṇa,
and the so-called gentlemen,
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enlightened gentlemen, take Kṛṣṇa as a debauch.
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Black debauch. [splice]
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Many monkeys were deported by the
government but people protested.
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They were capturing monkeys…
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Here?
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Yes. Government.
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And selling at good price in
Europe for taking their hormone.
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The monkey’s hormone is injected or
replaced so one regains his sex power.
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They are very sexually strong.
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That must interfere
with that monkey’s spiritual life.
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That interferes with the spiritual life of the monkey?
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Because then he can’t die in Vṛndāvana.
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It is further from them.
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Everything is being done by superior arrangement.
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Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1].
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People should learn all these things
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by practical example instead of becoming irresponsible
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and without any obedience to the superior law.
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They should learn it, but they have no intelligence.
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They think, “We are all free.”
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Where from the monkey is coming,
why there are so many varieties of life,
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how it is…? What do they know?
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Nothing.
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All bluff, vague explanation and that
is going on in the name of science.
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