0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,729 RC VRN 1976-11-03 Sex Education-Wasting Time 1 00:00:15,730 --> 00:00:19,636 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation with His Divine Grace 2 00:00:19,637 --> 00:00:23,360 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,361 --> 00:00:46,798 recorded on the 3rd of November, 1976, in Vṛndāvana, India. 4 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:51,119 HARI−ŚAURI: But how can they take it that what we’re doing is a bad thing. 5 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:56,949 If we’re training people how to avoid intoxication, how to avoid illicit sex, 6 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:58,826 abortion, contraception. 7 00:00:58,827 --> 00:01:00,213 PRABHUPĀDA: They say, “Why you should avoid? 8 00:01:00,214 --> 00:01:03,089 This is life. 9 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:05,821 Why you are brainwashing?” 10 00:01:05,822 --> 00:01:10,657 One boy was there in the beginning. 11 00:01:10,658 --> 00:01:11,570 What was his name? 12 00:01:11,571 --> 00:01:15,188 Ranchor, his name, I gave him. 13 00:01:15,189 --> 00:01:20,728 So his father argued, “Why you are avoiding illicit sex? 14 00:01:20,729 --> 00:01:23,656 This is life! 15 00:01:23,657 --> 00:01:25,130 Why you are afraid? 16 00:01:25,131 --> 00:01:29,926 I’ll give you car. I’ll give you girls. You enjoy. 17 00:01:29,927 --> 00:01:32,706 What is this philosophy, nonsense philosophy.” 18 00:01:32,707 --> 00:01:36,603 His father was arguing. 19 00:01:36,604 --> 00:01:42,148 I think everyone’s father argues like that. 20 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:48,019 Lord Roland said, he said, “Why you are prohibiting this thing? 21 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:49,960 This is our life. 22 00:01:49,961 --> 00:01:55,045 It is impossible.” 23 00:01:55,046 --> 00:01:59,756 The thing is in society still, even now, there are people who abstain from it. 24 00:01:59,757 --> 00:02:00,993 There are vegetarians. 25 00:02:00,994 --> 00:02:03,356 There may be very few, one or two. 26 00:02:03,357 --> 00:02:09,339 That is… One million, two person… At least especially in your country. 27 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:13,157 The thing is that they don’t claim that they are brainwashed. 28 00:02:13,158 --> 00:02:17,091 So we’re a society where we’re doing all these things, combinedly. 29 00:02:17,092 --> 00:02:20,241 “It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.” 30 00:02:20,242 --> 00:02:26,141 If the majority are fools and rascal, if you say something sane, 31 00:02:26,142 --> 00:02:32,633 then they’ll… they’ll ask… The man, the sane man, he is insane. 32 00:02:32,634 --> 00:02:35,190 He’s crazy. 33 00:02:35,191 --> 00:02:36,725 Then how to fight them? 34 00:02:36,726 --> 00:02:41,715 That is the position. 35 00:02:41,716 --> 00:02:48,579 The only means is that in spite of all opposition we have to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. 36 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:51,840 That will cleanse. 37 00:02:51,841 --> 00:02:54,164 Otherwise there is no other way. 38 00:02:54,165 --> 00:03:02,903 Argument and logic, they have no brain to understand. 39 00:03:02,904 --> 00:03:09,238 It requires this transcendental method, Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]., 40 00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:15,631 by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. 41 00:03:15,632 --> 00:03:21,696 You have to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and let them give the chance to hear. 42 00:03:21,697 --> 00:03:27,808 Then they will be able to catch it, what we are saying, not directly. 43 00:03:27,809 --> 00:03:30,622 It is not possible. 44 00:03:30,623 --> 00:03:33,963 Then how are we going to fare in this court case? 45 00:03:33,964 --> 00:03:39,093 ’Cause in these court cases it’s a question of presenting one side against the… 46 00:03:39,094 --> 00:03:41,551 No, philosophy is there. 47 00:03:41,552 --> 00:03:45,509 Court case means there is philosophy, there is logic. 48 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:47,973 So for that we have got so many books. 49 00:03:47,974 --> 00:03:52,586 We can… But general mass of people, chanting. 50 00:03:52,587 --> 00:03:55,703 When there is court case we are prepared to defend. 51 00:03:55,704 --> 00:03:58,653 We have got… We are not fools. 52 00:03:58,654 --> 00:04:02,038 We can talk that what is the aim of life. 53 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,486 They cannot say anything. 54 00:04:04,487 --> 00:04:09,505 The transmigration of the soul, the aim of life which we are discussing in our book, 55 00:04:09,506 --> 00:04:12,506 that’s fact. 56 00:04:12,507 --> 00:04:20,820 How he can deny the transmigration of the soul from one body to another? 57 00:04:20,821 --> 00:04:25,858 And if that is accepted, the whole problem is solved. 58 00:04:25,859 --> 00:04:31,814 He does not know what kind of life he is going to get. 59 00:04:31,815 --> 00:04:36,097 Therefore they do not accept this philosophy. 60 00:04:36,098 --> 00:04:40,436 If once accepted, then next question— “What kind of life we are going to get, 61 00:04:40,437 --> 00:04:48,194 either to become a tree or a dog or human being?” 62 00:04:48,195 --> 00:04:54,448 What arrangement you have done that you will get next life human being? 63 00:04:54,449 --> 00:05:00,312 Then the pious and impious activities comes one after another. 64 00:05:00,313 --> 00:05:03,858 The basic principle they are denying. 65 00:05:03,859 --> 00:05:07,718 “After this body is finished, everything is finished.” 66 00:05:07,719 --> 00:05:13,590 bhāsmi bhūtasya dehasya punar agama [?] “The body will be burned into ashes, 67 00:05:13,591 --> 00:05:19,143 and where is life? Who is coming? Who is going? That’s all.” 68 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:21,179 They do not see the soul. 69 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:25,941 Their medical science cannot find out where is soul. 70 00:05:25,942 --> 00:05:34,116 How do they say the… The soul means intelligence, they say. 71 00:05:34,117 --> 00:05:39,706 Otherwise how do they say the animal has no soul? 72 00:05:39,707 --> 00:05:40,719 Why do they say? 73 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,182 What is the… What is the… “Man has soul,” they say. 74 00:05:45,183 --> 00:05:46,844 “The animal has no soul.” 75 00:05:46,845 --> 00:05:49,338 JAGADĪŚA: That’s what the Christians say. Christians. 76 00:05:49,339 --> 00:05:51,033 So what is the symptom? 77 00:05:51,034 --> 00:05:53,713 Well, they… ’Cause he, man, has reason and logic. 78 00:05:53,714 --> 00:06:00,097 That means reason and logic is soul. 79 00:06:00,098 --> 00:06:01,946 That is their idea. 80 00:06:01,947 --> 00:06:06,640 That is not soul. 81 00:06:06,641 --> 00:06:10,040 Intelligence… When I say, 82 00:06:10,041 --> 00:06:16,437 “You have got intelligence,” it does not mean you are intelligence. 83 00:06:16,438 --> 00:06:18,369 “You have got intelligence.” 84 00:06:18,370 --> 00:06:20,162 We say like that. 85 00:06:20,163 --> 00:06:24,873 We never say, “You are intelligence.” 86 00:06:24,874 --> 00:06:26,596 So intelligence is not soul. 87 00:06:26,597 --> 00:06:29,425 The rascals, they do not know. 88 00:06:29,426 --> 00:06:35,484 Mistake. 89 00:06:35,485 --> 00:06:39,628 Nobody says, “You are intelligence.” 90 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:41,200 They say, “You are intelligent.” 91 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:43,152 Intelligence is something you possess. 92 00:06:43,153 --> 00:06:51,444 Yes. [splice] 93 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:52,968 “Brainwashing: 94 00:06:52,969 --> 00:07:02,112 Clearing the mind of established ideas by persistent suggestion and indoctrination.” 95 00:07:02,113 --> 00:07:05,776 [chuckles] That is… We are doing that. 96 00:07:05,777 --> 00:07:14,374 They are under the impression, “Work hard, earn money, and enjoy life.” 97 00:07:14,375 --> 00:07:16,070 We say, “No. 98 00:07:16,071 --> 00:07:23,954 Don’t work hard for sense gratification but work hard for self-realization.” 99 00:07:23,955 --> 00:07:26,234 Indoctrine. 100 00:07:26,235 --> 00:07:28,501 Well, any form of education is indoctrination. 101 00:07:28,502 --> 00:07:30,254 Indoctrinization. Yes. 102 00:07:30,255 --> 00:07:33,737 Any kind of education is… 103 00:07:33,738 --> 00:07:35,128 Whatever you teach someone, 104 00:07:35,129 --> 00:07:38,048 you teach according to whatever you see as the correct value. 105 00:07:38,049 --> 00:07:40,129 Yes. The child goes to the school. 106 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:46,945 His brain is packed up: “I shall play all day.” 107 00:07:46,946 --> 00:07:53,316 He likes to play but it is indoctrinization that “No, you should read. 108 00:07:53,317 --> 00:07:55,906 You must become graduate.” 109 00:07:55,907 --> 00:07:56,956 Yes. 110 00:07:56,957 --> 00:08:02,263 And whatever country he’s born in, he has to learn the culture of that country, 111 00:08:02,264 --> 00:08:05,467 he’s indoctrinated. Apart from that, education is required. 112 00:08:05,468 --> 00:08:15,189 The child wants to play but we have to educate him that “No, play is not all. 113 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:17,514 You have to be educated.” 114 00:08:17,515 --> 00:08:24,041 Similarly, this animal life, eating, sleeping, mating, this is already there. 115 00:08:24,042 --> 00:08:30,656 No. We say, “Not only this, you have to realize God.” 116 00:08:30,657 --> 00:08:35,640 This kind of brainwash is required. 117 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:41,522 If we do not understand God, then what is the difference between you and dog? 118 00:08:41,523 --> 00:08:43,497 He knows how to eat, how to sleep. 119 00:08:43,498 --> 00:08:46,751 He doesn’t require…how to eat. 120 00:08:46,752 --> 00:08:51,788 Everyone knows how to eat, how to use sex. 121 00:08:51,789 --> 00:09:00,010 Nobody requires any university education. 122 00:09:00,011 --> 00:09:01,945 Simply ignorance. 123 00:09:01,946 --> 00:09:05,527 When the animal enjoy sex, 124 00:09:05,528 --> 00:09:11,722 they know which part of the body has to be used. 125 00:09:11,723 --> 00:09:13,819 They don’t have to be taught. 126 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:16,081 There is no need of education. 127 00:09:16,082 --> 00:09:19,053 He knows it. 128 00:09:19,054 --> 00:09:25,661 And these rascals, they are presenting Freud’s philosophy: Sex. 129 00:09:25,662 --> 00:09:28,820 Just see how they are wasting time. 130 00:09:28,821 --> 00:09:34,462 They have so many books now: So-called sex education. 131 00:09:34,463 --> 00:09:37,999 So many of them. 132 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,139 Simply wasting time. 133 00:09:43,140 --> 00:09:45,044 There is a story about this. 134 00:09:45,045 --> 00:09:51,861 One man was canvassing, hawking. 135 00:09:51,862 --> 00:09:53,108 Hawker? 136 00:09:53,109 --> 00:09:55,853 Yes, hawker. 137 00:09:55,854 --> 00:10:01,633 So he was, “Here is a book of cow protection, cow protection.” 138 00:10:01,634 --> 00:10:08,729 He has written one book to take care of the cows. 139 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:13,617 So one old man called him, “What you are selling?” 140 00:10:13,618 --> 00:10:15,612 Now, “I am selling this book.” 141 00:10:15,613 --> 00:10:19,907 “What is that book?” 142 00:10:19,908 --> 00:10:23,015 “Maintaining the cow.” 143 00:10:23,016 --> 00:10:26,668 So, “Why you are selling? 144 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:35,540 First of all give this book to your mother because you are no better than cow, 145 00:10:35,541 --> 00:10:40,483 so she will learn how to give you protection.” 146 00:10:40,484 --> 00:10:43,124 That means he wanted to impress upon… 147 00:10:43,125 --> 00:10:45,904 that “Cow protection doesn’t require any education. 148 00:10:45,905 --> 00:10:50,517 You have written a book? 149 00:10:50,518 --> 00:10:55,503 So you are such a rascal, cow intelligence. 150 00:10:55,504 --> 00:10:58,211 Better give this book to your mother. 151 00:10:58,212 --> 00:11:01,331 She will maintain you. 152 00:11:01,332 --> 00:11:02,344 Don’t sell it. 153 00:11:02,345 --> 00:11:05,268 Everyone knows how to give cow protection.” 154 00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:12,653 So similarly, this sex literature, there is no need of sex literature. 155 00:11:12,654 --> 00:11:16,420 Sex literature is there in Sanskrit also. 156 00:11:16,421 --> 00:11:24,036 That is how to restrict sex. 157 00:11:24,037 --> 00:11:34,934 For what purpose one should indulge in sex, that is called Kāma-śāstra. 158 00:11:34,935 --> 00:11:53,474 I have seen this Freud philosophy became so prominent that sometimes in the year… 159 00:11:53,475 --> 00:11:57,894 1940’s maybe. 160 00:11:57,895 --> 00:12:08,504 So one young woman was traveling, and another young man was traveling. 161 00:12:08,505 --> 00:12:17,567 So they began to discuss about sex very openly. 162 00:12:17,568 --> 00:12:20,647 And both of them unknown. 163 00:12:20,648 --> 00:12:26,627 Still, they engaged themselves in discussing the sex liter… 164 00:12:26,628 --> 00:12:32,117 without any shame. 165 00:12:32,118 --> 00:12:38,466 Pseudo-intellectuals. Shameless. Yes. 166 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:47,300 Young boy, young girl, they began to discuss on sex openly as scientific. 167 00:12:47,301 --> 00:12:53,418 What is this scientific? 168 00:12:53,419 --> 00:12:59,035 Scientific means after discussing for some time you propose that “Let us enjoy sex.” 169 00:12:59,036 --> 00:13:04,209 That’s all. It is common thing in your country: 170 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:07,696 Unknown girl, unknown boy, and talk for some time, 171 00:13:07,697 --> 00:13:16,439 “Let us go to some restaurant,” and then talk more intimately, and then sex. 172 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,528 That’s the whole social system. 173 00:13:21,529 --> 00:13:23,616 “Would you like to sex?” 174 00:13:23,617 --> 00:13:30,061 And who is the young man, young… They’ll deny it. 175 00:13:30,062 --> 00:13:32,997 I know this. 176 00:13:32,998 --> 00:13:37,950 During ball dance they embrace one another, another’s wife, 177 00:13:37,951 --> 00:13:51,134 another husband, and in ball dance… Or there are side rooms. 178 00:13:51,135 --> 00:13:57,809 Naturally they’ll feel sex and they go to the side room and discuss. 179 00:13:57,810 --> 00:14:00,214 Is it not? 180 00:14:00,215 --> 00:14:01,591 DEVOTEE: Yes. 181 00:14:01,592 --> 00:14:11,311 The only reason they go to a dance is to pick up some woman for sex life. That’s all. 182 00:14:11,312 --> 00:14:13,824 Most of my friends used to go out specifically 183 00:14:13,825 --> 00:14:18,997 to find some woman to have sex. 184 00:14:18,998 --> 00:14:22,554 This dancing club means this. 185 00:14:22,555 --> 00:14:31,787 [end] 186 00:14:31,788 --> 00:14:31,789 Subtitles by 80.1.251.112, Causelessmercy.com