0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,353 RC VRN 1976-11-20 Skyscraper Thoughts Dangerous 1 00:00:16,354 --> 00:00:18,557 ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation 2 00:00:18,558 --> 00:00:23,559 with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 3 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:45,559 recorded on the 20th of November, 1976, in Vṛndāvana, India. 4 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,819 PRABHUPĀDA: [indistinct] …who is coming back again? 5 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:50,071 The body this time. 6 00:00:50,072 --> 00:00:52,059 That’s all. 7 00:00:52,060 --> 00:00:54,802 AKṢAYĀNANDA: The ability to remember Kṛṣṇa, 8 00:00:54,803 --> 00:00:56,355 - that will also increase? - Yes. Yes. 9 00:00:56,356 --> 00:01:02,233 If the brain is clear—it is not filled up with rubbish cow dung, 10 00:01:02,234 --> 00:01:06,719 then Kṛṣṇa consciousness will be… 11 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:14,259 Kṛṣṇa consciousness means there is no more material consciousness. 12 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:18,869 sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170] 13 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:21,749 anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [BRS 1.1.11] 14 00:01:21,750 --> 00:01:27,799 That is required. 15 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:36,079 In material existence we have got so many ambitions, thoughts, 16 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,549 obligations… So many things. 17 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:40,759 Bṛthā. 18 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:49,688 eta saba chāḍi’ āra varṇāśrama-dharma akiñcana hañā laya kṛṣṇaika-śaraṇa [Cc. Madhya 22.93] 19 00:01:49,689 --> 00:01:53,710 Sarva-dharmān: Everything give up. 20 00:01:53,711 --> 00:01:58,359 That is India’s Vedic civilization. 21 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,559 They are not concerned with the material advancement. 22 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,354 Simple life. 23 00:02:05,355 --> 00:02:06,999 That’s all. 24 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:15,769 And our present leaders, they are thinking that “brainwashed.” 25 00:02:15,770 --> 00:02:17,589 They are not deeply thinking, 26 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:24,669 “Why our great sages and ācāryas recommended this life, 27 00:02:24,670 --> 00:02:26,369 not the skyscraper life? 28 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:27,719 Why? 29 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,738 They were not less intelligent.” 30 00:02:30,739 --> 00:02:32,709 They are not thinking in that way. 31 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:39,379 They are thinking that “Because we neglected the skyscraper thoughts, 32 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:41,599 we are so backward.” 33 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,329 At least this rascal Nehru was thinking like that. 34 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:47,464 “So finish this.” 35 00:02:47,465 --> 00:02:51,059 The Russia is called… What is called? 36 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:52,848 Opiate… 37 00:02:52,849 --> 00:02:54,759 - Opiate of the people… - …brainwashed. 38 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,660 These things are accepted like that. 39 00:02:58,661 --> 00:03:04,149 “It has no value, simply some prejudice. 40 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:06,029 Superstition. 41 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:10,769 And they are thinking like that and they are spoiling their material side of life.” 42 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:13,240 This is their idea. 43 00:03:13,241 --> 00:03:14,093 “What is this? 44 00:03:14,094 --> 00:03:14,882 No meat-eating?” 45 00:03:14,883 --> 00:03:24,794 [Knock on the door, devotee enters with prasādam]. 46 00:03:24,795 --> 00:03:28,469 That little dāl, daliya, bas. 47 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:29,929 - PĀLIKĀ: Anything else? - Huh? 48 00:03:29,930 --> 00:03:33,039 - Nothing else? - No. 49 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,369 If I take anything else it becomes overburdened. 50 00:03:37,370 --> 00:03:47,470 Better take little less, just to satisfy that I am not starving. 51 00:03:47,471 --> 00:03:48,638 Better to starve. 52 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:50,535 That is better. 53 00:03:50,536 --> 00:03:55,527 But we are habituated, so better give some consolance, 54 00:03:55,528 --> 00:04:04,333 “No, no, you are not starving.” 55 00:04:04,334 --> 00:04:08,480 Otherwise starving is better. 56 00:04:08,481 --> 00:04:14,220 nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau [Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ Goswāmi Aṣṭakam 6] 57 00:04:14,221 --> 00:04:17,360 So they are glad that I am coming? 58 00:04:17,361 --> 00:04:20,237 Oh, yes. 59 00:04:20,238 --> 00:04:22,505 He was happy. 60 00:04:22,506 --> 00:04:25,670 And she was also happy. 61 00:04:25,671 --> 00:04:26,877 Who? 62 00:04:26,878 --> 00:04:30,330 - Gosāi Mā. - Oh, yes. 63 00:04:30,331 --> 00:04:36,840 - No, she was very kind upon me. - Yeah, they are very happy. 64 00:04:36,841 --> 00:04:40,870 HARI−ŚAURI: How long is it since you’ve been to the Rādhā-Dāmodara? 65 00:04:40,871 --> 00:04:45,003 - Hm? - When did you last go? 66 00:04:45,004 --> 00:04:47,981 Last? 67 00:04:47,982 --> 00:04:52,581 Maybe 1972. 68 00:04:52,582 --> 00:04:55,310 Four years. [splice] 69 00:04:55,311 --> 00:04:59,020 Whereabouts, exactly, is that place at Keśī-ghāṭa? 70 00:04:59,021 --> 00:05:02,768 Oh. 71 00:05:02,769 --> 00:05:04,067 We can go some day. 72 00:05:04,068 --> 00:05:06,920 I think I met somebody from there. 73 00:05:06,921 --> 00:05:10,780 - Oh, his daughter came there. - Yeah, yeah. 74 00:05:10,781 --> 00:05:14,300 - Daughter or granddaughter. - Something like that, yeah. 75 00:05:14,301 --> 00:05:16,430 He was talking about… 76 00:05:16,431 --> 00:05:22,250 When I first came in Vṛndāvana I stayed in the Keśī-ghāṭa. 77 00:05:22,251 --> 00:05:26,011 That is very palatial building. 78 00:05:26,012 --> 00:05:30,310 My room was as big as this. 79 00:05:30,311 --> 00:05:33,005 Yes, as big. 80 00:05:33,006 --> 00:05:37,620 Plus one side room, plus one entrance room. 81 00:05:37,621 --> 00:05:42,520 I was paying fifteen rupees. 82 00:05:42,521 --> 00:05:49,550 And I could see whole Vṛndāvana, Yamunā, from the top my house. 83 00:05:49,551 --> 00:05:54,300 It was very nice, very palatial. 84 00:05:54,301 --> 00:06:00,430 That’s in the big building on the, right on the side of the ghāṭa? 85 00:06:00,431 --> 00:06:02,010 Which gate? 86 00:06:02,011 --> 00:06:05,990 That’s in the big building right on the side of Keśī-ghāṭa? 87 00:06:05,991 --> 00:06:06,933 No. 88 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:08,060 - No? - No. 89 00:06:08,061 --> 00:06:12,720 There is a big building, Bharat Maharaja, yes, Bharatpur, 90 00:06:12,721 --> 00:06:15,617 - just by the side of that house. - Oh. 91 00:06:15,618 --> 00:06:17,980 It is in the corner. 92 00:06:17,981 --> 00:06:19,806 The door is in the corner. 93 00:06:19,807 --> 00:06:24,490 The road is going this way, in the corner. 94 00:06:24,491 --> 00:06:25,635 It is stone. 95 00:06:25,636 --> 00:06:28,186 Face is stone. 96 00:06:28,187 --> 00:06:30,928 Good building… [splice] 97 00:06:30,929 --> 00:06:36,280 …and thought of Kṛṣṇa, outside cleaning by oil and soap. 98 00:06:36,281 --> 00:06:38,888 Soap. 99 00:06:38,889 --> 00:06:41,610 …bāhyābhyantara-śuciḥ [Garuḍa Purāṇa] 100 00:06:41,611 --> 00:06:48,760 This is quite comfortable, not very chilly, within this room. 101 00:06:48,761 --> 00:06:54,101 Yeah, this retains the heat nicely. 102 00:06:54,102 --> 00:06:57,125 People are so misled. 103 00:06:57,126 --> 00:06:58,740 tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ [Bg 2.13] 104 00:06:58,741 --> 00:07:00,443 We have to change this body. 105 00:07:00,444 --> 00:07:02,460 There is no preparation. 106 00:07:02,461 --> 00:07:05,090 “As sure as death.” 107 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:08,190 Death will take place, and you have to accept another body. 108 00:07:08,191 --> 00:07:11,550 Who understands this philosophy? 109 00:07:11,551 --> 00:07:13,531 Nobody. 110 00:07:13,532 --> 00:07:21,310 They are so dull-headed. 111 00:07:21,311 --> 00:07:23,635 “This body finished, everything finished.” 112 00:07:23,636 --> 00:07:26,975 Bas. 113 00:07:26,976 --> 00:07:31,320 All big, big leaders, scholars, they say. 114 00:07:31,321 --> 00:07:37,280 One gentleman… [splice] He was Rabindranath Tagore’s brother. 115 00:07:37,281 --> 00:07:40,069 Artist. 116 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:45,622 So in a meeting he was saying, “We are so fool. 117 00:07:45,623 --> 00:07:49,432 Thinking of next life, next life, we are spoiling this life.” 118 00:07:49,433 --> 00:07:52,110 He said like that. 119 00:07:52,111 --> 00:07:56,640 Long ago when we were children, young men… [splice] 120 00:07:56,641 --> 00:08:04,970 I remember distinctly, he is saying in the meeting that “Simply thinking of next life, 121 00:08:04,971 --> 00:08:07,230 we are spoiling this life.” 122 00:08:07,231 --> 00:08:10,067 He said that was his… [indistinct] 123 00:08:10,068 --> 00:08:13,800 So we, at that time we were young boys: 124 00:08:13,801 --> 00:08:19,540 “Yes, why we should think of, so much of next life?” 125 00:08:19,541 --> 00:08:21,620 Of course, I was not very much convinced, 126 00:08:21,621 --> 00:08:28,970 but naturally… I think his Aurobindo Tagore, like that. 127 00:08:28,971 --> 00:08:32,690 Rabindranath Tagore; he is good artist. 128 00:08:32,691 --> 00:08:38,890 Artist means latest fashion, like this, like that, eh? 129 00:08:38,891 --> 00:08:42,796 He was considered to be latest artist. 130 00:08:42,797 --> 00:08:45,420 And his view is that. 131 00:08:45,421 --> 00:08:48,210 I talked with Professor Kotofsky. 132 00:08:48,211 --> 00:08:52,920 He said, “Swamiji, after finishing this body everything is finished.” 133 00:08:52,921 --> 00:08:54,673 Communist. 134 00:08:54,674 --> 00:08:57,265 This is the cent per cent idea. 135 00:08:57,266 --> 00:08:58,536 The so-called scientists, 136 00:08:58,537 --> 00:09:01,108 they are thinking, by chemical evolution 137 00:09:01,109 --> 00:09:03,018 the body has come in existence. 138 00:09:03,019 --> 00:09:06,360 These things are discussed in Bhagavad-gītā. 139 00:09:06,361 --> 00:09:11,160 By accident, if it is a combination of chemicals, 140 00:09:11,161 --> 00:09:16,730 that means the bodily existence was not before. 141 00:09:16,731 --> 00:09:20,530 It has come in by accident, combination. 142 00:09:20,531 --> 00:09:26,510 “So why, Arjuna, you are lamenting for the body which was not in existence? 143 00:09:26,511 --> 00:09:30,830 And it will not exist after. 144 00:09:30,831 --> 00:09:35,920 So why you are so much anxious for the middle portion?” 145 00:09:35,921 --> 00:09:38,630 Good reasoning. 146 00:09:38,631 --> 00:09:40,550 The body was not in existence. 147 00:09:40,551 --> 00:09:43,864 That is the general… 148 00:09:43,865 --> 00:09:47,830 And as soon as you finish, there is no more existence. 149 00:09:47,831 --> 00:09:55,540 So via media, between the manifestation and nonmanifestation, 150 00:09:55,541 --> 00:09:59,074 in the middle there is some manifesta… Why you are so much 151 00:09:59,075 --> 00:10:01,270 absorbed in that part? [splice] 152 00:10:01,271 --> 00:10:02,366 And they have to give up. 153 00:10:02,367 --> 00:10:04,590 These children are spoiled. 154 00:10:04,591 --> 00:10:08,180 They have given up meat- eating and illicit sex. 155 00:10:08,181 --> 00:10:10,570 “Their life is spoiled, and so on, so on.” 156 00:10:10,571 --> 00:10:16,486 So their theory is out background. 157 00:10:16,487 --> 00:10:18,680 There is a background philosophy. 158 00:10:18,681 --> 00:10:23,480 And for Western countries, this is a completely new idea. 159 00:10:23,481 --> 00:10:27,000 Therefore they are charging, “brainwash.” 160 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:33,140 They are not to be blamed, because they are, raised in that idea. 161 00:10:33,141 --> 00:10:36,345 - Hm? Is it not? - No. - Yes. 162 00:10:36,346 --> 00:10:40,700 So this is simply brainwash movement. 163 00:10:40,701 --> 00:10:43,816 It has no factual standing. 164 00:10:43,817 --> 00:10:47,940 Even our country, what to speak of Western countries. 165 00:10:47,941 --> 00:10:56,850 Where the spiritual civilization has a strong background, they are also not believing. 166 00:10:56,851 --> 00:11:00,220 Nobody believes Kṛṣṇa is God. 167 00:11:00,221 --> 00:11:05,910 Even big, big leaders, what to speak of ordinary men. 168 00:11:05,911 --> 00:11:09,750 Especially the so- called educated men. 169 00:11:09,751 --> 00:11:14,640 “Bring money anyhow and enjoy life.” 170 00:11:14,641 --> 00:11:17,480 nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4] 171 00:11:17,481 --> 00:11:20,580 And for money they are doing everything. 172 00:11:20,581 --> 00:11:25,830 Black, black money, white money, yellow money, this money. 173 00:11:25,831 --> 00:11:28,354 “Bring money and enjoy. 174 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:29,560 Bas. 175 00:11:29,561 --> 00:11:32,140 This is life. 176 00:11:32,141 --> 00:11:35,963 Why this nonsense Kṛṣṇa conscio…? 177 00:11:35,964 --> 00:11:36,886 No this. 178 00:11:36,887 --> 00:11:39,410 No this. 179 00:11:39,411 --> 00:11:47,010 Ninety-nine per cent no and one per cent yes. 180 00:11:47,011 --> 00:11:48,670 What is the value of this movement?” 181 00:11:48,671 --> 00:11:49,800 Is it not? 182 00:11:49,801 --> 00:11:55,241 “Our life is ninety- nine per cent no.” 183 00:11:55,242 --> 00:12:01,076 No air even. 184 00:12:01,077 --> 00:12:06,171 So what to speak of other thing. 185 00:12:06,172 --> 00:12:08,780 It is very difficult. 186 00:12:08,781 --> 00:12:14,732 Therefore in the beginning I was hopeless: “Who will hear this movement? 187 00:12:14,733 --> 00:12:17,371 Simply no.” 188 00:12:17,372 --> 00:12:21,700 And especially in this country, in Europe. 189 00:12:21,701 --> 00:12:29,011 So dull brain. 190 00:12:29,012 --> 00:12:29,013 Subtitles by Gopī Kāntā Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com Sponsored by Dr. Douglas Maki