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RC VRN 1976-11-20 Skyscraper Thoughts Dangerous
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ANNOUNCER: The
following is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 20th of November,
1976, in Vṛndāvana, India.
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PRABHUPĀDA: [indistinct]
…who is coming back again?
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The body this time.
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That’s all.
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AKṢAYĀNANDA: The
ability to remember Kṛṣṇa,
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- that will also increase?
- Yes. Yes.
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If the brain is clear—it is not
filled up with rubbish cow dung,
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then Kṛṣṇa consciousness will be…
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Kṛṣṇa consciousness means there
is no more material consciousness.
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sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam
[Cc. Madhya 19.170]
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anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam
[BRS 1.1.11]
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That is required.
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In material existence we have got
so many ambitions, thoughts,
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obligations… So many things.
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Bṛthā.
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eta saba chāḍi’ āra varṇāśrama-dharma
akiñcana hañā laya kṛṣṇaika-śaraṇa
[Cc. Madhya 22.93]
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Sarva-dharmān:
Everything give up.
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That is India’s Vedic civilization.
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They are not concerned with
the material advancement.
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Simple life.
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That’s all.
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And our present leaders, they
are thinking that “brainwashed.”
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They are not deeply thinking,
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“Why our great sages and
ācāryas recommended this life,
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not the skyscraper life?
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Why?
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They were not less intelligent.”
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They are not thinking in that way.
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They are thinking that “Because we
neglected the skyscraper thoughts,
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we are so backward.”
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At least this rascal Nehru
was thinking like that.
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“So finish this.”
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The Russia is called…
What is called?
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Opiate…
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- Opiate of the people…
- …brainwashed.
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These things are
accepted like that.
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“It has no value,
simply some prejudice.
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Superstition.
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And they are thinking like that and they
are spoiling their material side of life.”
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This is their idea.
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“What is this?
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No meat-eating?”
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[Knock on the door, devotee
enters with prasādam].
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That little dāl, daliya, bas.
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- PĀLIKĀ: Anything else?
- Huh?
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- Nothing else?
- No.
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If I take anything else it
becomes overburdened.
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Better take little less, just to
satisfy that I am not starving.
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Better to starve.
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That is better.
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But we are habituated, so
better give some consolance,
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“No, no, you are not starving.”
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Otherwise starving is better.
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nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau
[Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ Goswāmi Aṣṭakam 6]
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So they are glad that I am coming?
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Oh, yes.
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He was happy.
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And she was also happy.
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Who?
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- Gosāi Mā.
- Oh, yes.
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- No, she was very kind upon me.
- Yeah, they are very happy.
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HARI−ŚAURI: How long is it since
you’ve been to the Rādhā-Dāmodara?
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- Hm?
- When did you last go?
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Last?
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Maybe 1972.
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Four years. [splice]
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Whereabouts, exactly, is
that place at Keśī-ghāṭa?
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Oh.
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We can go some day.
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I think I met somebody from there.
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- Oh, his daughter came there.
- Yeah, yeah.
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- Daughter or granddaughter.
- Something like that, yeah.
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He was talking about…
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When I first came in Vṛndāvana
I stayed in the Keśī-ghāṭa.
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That is very palatial building.
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My room was as big as this.
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Yes, as big.
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Plus one side room,
plus one entrance room.
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I was paying fifteen rupees.
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And I could see whole Vṛndāvana,
Yamunā, from the top my house.
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It was very nice, very palatial.
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That’s in the big building on the,
right on the side of the ghāṭa?
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Which gate?
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That’s in the big building right
on the side of Keśī-ghāṭa?
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No.
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- No?
- No.
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There is a big building, Bharat
Maharaja, yes, Bharatpur,
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- just by the side of that house.
- Oh.
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It is in the corner.
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The door is in the corner.
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The road is going this
way, in the corner.
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It is stone.
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Face is stone.
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Good building… [splice]
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…and thought of Kṛṣṇa, outside
cleaning by oil and soap.
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Soap.
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…bāhyābhyantara-śuciḥ
[Garuḍa Purāṇa]
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This is quite comfortable, not
very chilly, within this room.
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Yeah, this retains the heat nicely.
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People are so misled.
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tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ
[Bg 2.13]
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We have to change this body.
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There is no preparation.
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“As sure as death.”
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Death will take place, and you
have to accept another body.
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Who understands this philosophy?
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Nobody.
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They are so dull-headed.
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“This body finished,
everything finished.”
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Bas.
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All big, big leaders,
scholars, they say.
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One gentleman… [splice] He was
Rabindranath Tagore’s brother.
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Artist.
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So in a meeting he was
saying, “We are so fool.
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Thinking of next life, next
life, we are spoiling this life.”
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He said like that.
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Long ago when we were
children, young men… [splice]
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I remember distinctly, he is saying in the
meeting that “Simply thinking of next life,
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we are spoiling this life.”
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He said that was his… [indistinct]
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So we, at that time
we were young boys:
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“Yes, why we should think
of, so much of next life?”
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Of course, I was not
very much convinced,
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but naturally… I think his
Aurobindo Tagore, like that.
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Rabindranath Tagore;
he is good artist.
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Artist means latest fashion,
like this, like that, eh?
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He was considered
to be latest artist.
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And his view is that.
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I talked with Professor Kotofsky.
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He said, “Swamiji, after finishing
this body everything is finished.”
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Communist.
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This is the cent per cent idea.
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The so-called scientists,
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they are thinking, by
chemical evolution
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the body has come in existence.
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These things are discussed
in Bhagavad-gītā.
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By accident, if it is a
combination of chemicals,
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that means the bodily
existence was not before.
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It has come in by
accident, combination.
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“So why, Arjuna, you are lamenting for
the body which was not in existence?
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And it will not exist after.
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So why you are so much
anxious for the middle portion?”
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Good reasoning.
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The body was not in existence.
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That is the general…
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And as soon as you finish,
there is no more existence.
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So via media, between the
manifestation and nonmanifestation,
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in the middle there is some
manifesta… Why you are so much
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absorbed in that part? [splice]
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And they have to give up.
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These children are spoiled.
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They have given up meat-
eating and illicit sex.
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“Their life is spoiled,
and so on, so on.”
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So their theory is out background.
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There is a background philosophy.
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And for Western countries,
this is a completely new idea.
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Therefore they are
charging, “brainwash.”
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They are not to be blamed, because
they are, raised in that idea.
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- Hm? Is it not?
- No.
- Yes.
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So this is simply
brainwash movement.
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It has no factual standing.
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Even our country, what to
speak of Western countries.
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Where the spiritual civilization has a strong
background, they are also not believing.
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Nobody believes Kṛṣṇa is God.
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Even big, big leaders, what
to speak of ordinary men.
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Especially the so-
called educated men.
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“Bring money anyhow
and enjoy life.”
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nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma
[SB 5.5.4]
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And for money they
are doing everything.
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Black, black money, white money,
yellow money, this money.
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“Bring money and enjoy.
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Bas.
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This is life.
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Why this nonsense
Kṛṣṇa conscio…?
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No this.
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No this.
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Ninety-nine per cent no
and one per cent yes.
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What is the value
of this movement?”
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Is it not?
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“Our life is ninety-
nine per cent no.”
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No air even.
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So what to speak of other thing.
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It is very difficult.
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Therefore in the beginning I was
hopeless: “Who will hear this movement?
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Simply no.”
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And especially in this
country, in Europe.
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So dull brain.
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