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RC WDC 1976-07-08 S. Damodar--Life Comes By the --etc
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ANNOUNCER: The following is a conversation
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with His Divine Grace
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda,
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recorded on the 8th of July, 1976, in Washington, D.C.
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SVARŪPA DĀMODARA: There is an
international meeting coming up next year
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on the origin of life, in Japan, Tokyo.
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They have an international body
called International Society
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for the Study of the Origin of Life,
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and there are participants from
all over the world actually.
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They hold this meeting once every four years.
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Next one is scheduled to be in Tokyo.
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We were thinking that if we get some
material, we’ll go and represent there.
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RŪPĀNUGA: Scientists will come
there from around the world?
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SVARŪPA DĀMODARA: Oh, yeah, big, big scientists.
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PRABHUPĀDA: But they are biased on
the point that origin of life is chemical.
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Oh, yes.
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Everybody is coming for them one hundred percent.
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What is the discussion then?
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Oh, some will, you know, “I have done this experiment,
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and this looks very possible that
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about four billion years ago there
was some chemical that, ah, get life.”
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So if we go there, there will be a big fight. [splice]
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No, you can challenge them with this,
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that “Why don’t you prepare a chemical egg
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and give it to the incubator and let life come?
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If you cannot do that, then don’t talk nonsense.”
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This is simple thing.
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Analyze, take a sparrow’s egg, small,
analyze what chemicals there are,
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and combine in the same way.
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Why they do not do that?
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Too hard.
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Then why do they talk nonsense?
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You stress on this point.
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If they say “Yes, we shall do after millions of years,”
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then he should be challenged
that “You give up your title,
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“Doctor” let the sparrow take it. He’s doing.
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You give up, nonsense, your title. Don’t talk nonsense.
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The sparrow, without taking any
doctorate title, he’s doing that.
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So what is the value of your doctorate title?”
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Challenge him. Seriously challenge.
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This point you present, they cannot do it, it is certain.
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It is not possible to be done like that.
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Spirit soul is different complete from the matter.
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They have to acknowledge it.
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Just like this house, a combination of matter.
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But I am within this room, that
does not mean I am this matter.
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Similarly, I am within this body, but
that does not mean I am this body.
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This chemical composition is suitable arrangement,
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like this house is made with bricks,
with lime, with stone, with wood.
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But as a living being, I am not identified with all those.
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Similarly, the body, it may be combination
of chemicals, but the life is different.
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SADĀPŪTA: So even if they could
put the chemicals together,
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a spirit soul would still have to enter
in order for it to become animated.
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Yes.
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My feelings is that even if they make these chemicals,
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the spirit is never going to come
in that medium. Otherwise…
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No, because it will… It comes by
superior order, not by your order.
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Daiva-netreṇa. [splice]
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You cannot do it.
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You once said that because people
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are becoming more educated and scientific-minded,
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they are rejecting these religions.
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So similarly, because they are becoming
more educated and scientific minded…
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So-called educated, they are becoming fools.
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But still, they are challenging.
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But they, for the same reason, will
challenge the scientists in due time.
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Because they become…, if they
become more scientific-minded,
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then they will challenge these statements
that the scientists never verify.
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Constantly they are saying, but they never do anything.
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Our challenge should be “Do it.”
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If you cannot do it, then you give
up your title, let it go to the chicken.
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Huh?
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What is the wrong there, if we
say “Dr. Chicken,” “Dr. Frog”?
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These theories of theirs are taught in high
schools and colleges as fact, practically.
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Like the student in Gainesville was
telling us that he was taking zoology,
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and they were teaching evolution,
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and they were saying that it wasn’t a
theory anymore but it was a proven fact,
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and that he was quite dissatisfied with that.
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Proven fact?
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Yes, that’s how they are teaching it.
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They don’t even teach evolution as a theory anymore,
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but they say it’s been proven as a
fact now, what they are teaching.
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So how it is fact? You cannot do. So what is the fact?
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They are cheating. [splice]
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They call… Because they use a Sanskrit
word for this life coming from chemicals,
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they call jīvana particles of life.
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So they are also catching this idea
that life is nothing but molecules.
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So along with this article, they
are also writing from Bombay.
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So actually it is worldwide, all over, this concept. [splice]
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Just like that Dr. Sharma, who came yesterday,
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he’s very much along our thought.
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Who wrote the book?
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No, no, an Indian gentleman.
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He has several degrees in science
area, and he has an important post.
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Dr. Sharma?
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Who came yesterday.
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Sanskrit, he knows Sanskrit well?
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From Hardwar?
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No.
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So why don’t you take him?
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Oh, yes, he’s very willing to
help anything along these lines.
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But he told me that
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once we have this Bhaktivedanta
Institute and we have this done,
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he told us that he can find some means
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by which we can get some grant from the government.
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There are several funding agencies,
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and he’s one of the important men for giving grants,
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and he has several connections with the top rank…
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Authorities.
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So keep connection with him.
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Yes.
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And he even wants to write
some articles along these lines.
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Yes.
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He is favorable, keep in [indistinct] [splice]
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…I personally wanted to ask was about the ārati,
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in offering ārati, now we blow the conchshell, but, ah,
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coming out the pūjārī from the altar, outside,
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when the pūjārī blows the conchshell, he does this,
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especially in Atlanta, and I think
in other temples also I have seen,
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the pūjārī comes out of the…
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Yes, he comes on this side of the
altar and blows the conchshell.
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Is that all right?
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It should be behind the curtain
or in front of the curtain?
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Behind the curtain?
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He should blow it behind.
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No, what he does is,
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the pūjārī comes out while the other
devotees are there, behind the curtain,
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and then blows the conchshell.
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To make the sound audible?
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But there is no harm. Inside.
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But this disturbs something to the whole scene,
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because he has to remove the
chain and cross it and then…
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No, no. Why? There is no need.
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No need of crossing the chain.
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But it can be done inside then?
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Why not? It can be done.
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HARI−ŚAURI: I think they took that from Vṛndāvana.
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In Vṛndāvana, they blow the conchshells,
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they come out onto that little balcony and blow.
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I also wanted to ask a question, Śrīla Prabhupāda,
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on dancing in the temple room
during ārati, especially maṅgala-ārati.
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Is it not that the devotees should not turn
their back while dancing to the Deity?
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No, no.
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And that they should not bump each
other or dance with each other personally,
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distracting the attention from the Deity?
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Shouldn’t all the dancing be focused toward the Deity?
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Sometimes dancing is done here
in peculiar method. [laughter].
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That is not desirable.
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The dancing, Caitanya Mahāprabhu is showing.
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You have shown us the feet, changing
of the feet with arms upraised,
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not with the back to the Deity.
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They do it out of sentiment, but that is not very good.
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Also they bump one another with the
drum or with each other’s bodies,
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they dance and they bump like this.
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That is not bona fide is it?
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It is very popular in our movement now.
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They are inventing.
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What can I do? If you invent your own way… [splice]
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DEVOTEE: At what point is a householder to know
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when he should leave his family or her family?
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After fifty years of age.
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Fifty years old.
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When he is fifty years old, then he
can think of leaving household.
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What if the spouse is very antagonistic
toward Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
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Antagonistic?
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Opposed.
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So that is not the remedy,
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because afterwards he give up and become a sannyāsī,
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and then again become this gṛhastha.
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This is not good.
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Opposition is already there,
especially in the Western countries;
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they will never agree. So why do you marry?
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That is understood.
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Huh?
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Both the boys and girls trained in such
a way that there must be opposition.
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So that is expected, that in your
married life there will be opposition.
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So why do you marry?
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He’s talking about if you’re married
before you come to the movement
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and one person wants to join the movement
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and the other person is not very agreeable.
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No. Any… It is not because there is
opposition, therefore I give up family life.
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Unless one is mature, there is no need
of artificially giving up family life.
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The best thing is if one can remain
without marriage. That is very good.
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No botheration. Hmm. [devotees offer obeisances]
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