0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,601 SB 5-06-10 BOM 1976-12-28 Real Varnasrama 1 00:00:01,602 --> 00:00:05,581 ANNOUNCER: The following is a Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, 5th canto, 2 00:00:05,582 --> 00:00:07,931 6 chapter, text number 10, 3 00:00:07,932 --> 00:00:13,631 given by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 4 00:00:13,632 --> 00:00:21,181 recorded on December 28th, 1976, in Bombay, India. [splice] 5 00:00:21,182 --> 00:00:32,091 PRABHUPĀDA: The varṇāśrama-dharma, that is beginning of human civilization. 6 00:00:32,092 --> 00:00:38,121 So in this age they have already given up. 7 00:00:38,122 --> 00:00:47,241 There is no varṇāśrama. In India it is simply in name. 8 00:00:47,242 --> 00:00:53,381 Actually, there is no varṇāśrama. 9 00:00:53,382 --> 00:01:03,281 The, most of the people, they are śūdras. 10 00:01:03,282 --> 00:01:11,741 But without varṇāśrama, there cannot be any human civilization, 11 00:01:11,742 --> 00:01:21,352 because the aim of human life is to understand God. 12 00:01:21,353 --> 00:01:25,992 That is the aim of human life. 13 00:01:25,993 --> 00:01:37,032 Unfortunately, they have given up this idea, the aim of life is to understand God. 14 00:01:37,033 --> 00:01:42,322 You inquire all over the world, 15 00:01:42,323 --> 00:01:53,672 99.9% will deny God or they have no clear idea of God. 16 00:01:53,673 --> 00:02:01,692 Even the so-called religionists, they have also no clear idea. 17 00:02:01,693 --> 00:02:08,002 Maybe some power; no clear idea. 18 00:02:08,003 --> 00:02:12,642 Neither they are interested to know. 19 00:02:12,643 --> 00:02:16,412 But so far we are concerned, 20 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:29,272 we have got full description of the Lord and His pastimes, His activities. 21 00:02:29,273 --> 00:02:39,682 Everything is recorded in the Śrīmad- Bhāgavatam and other Vedic literatures. 22 00:02:39,683 --> 00:02:45,122 And God says in the Bhagavad-gītā personally 23 00:02:45,123 --> 00:02:55,852 that “I was existing in the past and I shall continue to exist in the future.” 24 00:02:55,853 --> 00:03:00,542 Similarly, the living entities, 25 00:03:00,543 --> 00:03:11,012 they also existed in the past and they will continue to exist in the future individually. 26 00:03:11,013 --> 00:03:17,182 That is stated in the Bhagavad- gītā in the Second Chapter. 27 00:03:17,183 --> 00:03:24,972 It is not that we shall be finished in future or there was no existence in the past. No. 28 00:03:24,973 --> 00:03:29,993 We are, both of us, we are eternal. 29 00:03:29,994 --> 00:03:38,013 God, Kṛṣṇa, and we, living entities, we are eternal. 30 00:03:38,014 --> 00:03:41,053 Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]. 31 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:49,533 Our destruction of this material body does not mean we, as spirit soul, 32 00:03:49,534 --> 00:03:53,143 we are destroyed. No. 33 00:03:53,144 --> 00:04:01,793 To understand this truth, the varṇāśrama system required. 34 00:04:01,794 --> 00:04:06,163 Without this varṇāśrama system 35 00:04:06,164 --> 00:04:13,403 nobody can understand that we are individual person, 36 00:04:13,404 --> 00:04:21,823 we existed in the past, and we shall exist in the future, and we are existing at present. 37 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:24,033 Anyone can understand. 38 00:04:24,034 --> 00:04:30,993 There was no change in the past, neither there will be change in the future. 39 00:04:30,994 --> 00:04:35,583 Simply we change the dress: 40 00:04:35,584 --> 00:04:40,223 Tathā dehāntara-praptir dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. 41 00:04:40,224 --> 00:04:43,163 This is our self-realization. 42 00:04:43,164 --> 00:04:48,553 This is called ātma-tattva-jñāna. 43 00:04:48,554 --> 00:04:57,643 But people in the present day, they are not interested. 44 00:04:57,644 --> 00:05:01,263 Apaśyatām ātma- tattvam [SB 2.1.2]. 45 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:05,433 Yāvan na jijñāsata krūraḥ ātma-tattvam [?]. 46 00:05:05,434 --> 00:05:12,853 Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [?]. 47 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:21,044 Our activities, they are all defeat. 48 00:05:21,045 --> 00:05:25,164 The difference… Just like you are constructing this huge, 49 00:05:25,165 --> 00:05:28,404 gorgeous building 50 00:05:28,405 --> 00:05:35,914 and another person also constructing another huge skyscraper building. 51 00:05:35,915 --> 00:05:37,854 So what is the difference? 52 00:05:37,855 --> 00:05:45,884 The difference is here we are doing on the ātma-tattva, 53 00:05:45,885 --> 00:05:51,634 and they are doing for being defeated in the material world. 54 00:05:51,635 --> 00:05:53,774 That is the difference. 55 00:05:53,775 --> 00:06:04,654 You’ll find the same activities, dealing with stones and bricks and workers, engineers. 56 00:06:04,655 --> 00:06:13,334 But one is based on ātma-tattva and the other is based on without any ātma-tattva. 57 00:06:13,335 --> 00:06:16,074 That is the difference. 58 00:06:16,075 --> 00:06:25,434 Sometimes bhakti is observed as similar to the activities of the karmīs, 59 00:06:25,435 --> 00:06:28,594 but there is difference. 60 00:06:28,595 --> 00:06:35,924 One is bhakti, one is going back to home, back to Godhead; 61 00:06:35,925 --> 00:06:39,824 and the other is going forward 62 00:06:39,825 --> 00:06:44,984 to the hellish condition of life by the same activities. 63 00:06:44,985 --> 00:06:48,574 This is the technique. 64 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:51,394 How it is possible? It is possible. 65 00:06:51,395 --> 00:06:57,804 By practical example, it is said in the śāstras… 66 00:06:57,805 --> 00:07:07,715 Just like if you take more quantity of milk preparation, you get diarrhea. 67 00:07:07,716 --> 00:07:14,995 But the same milk preparation, yogurt, is there. 68 00:07:14,996 --> 00:07:18,215 It will stop diarrhea. 69 00:07:18,216 --> 00:07:21,505 Both of them are milk preparation. 70 00:07:21,506 --> 00:07:34,525 One has created the disease diarrhea, and another is stopping diarrhea. 71 00:07:34,526 --> 00:07:37,315 So why? Cikirsitam. 72 00:07:37,316 --> 00:07:48,265 One is by medical process and the other is without any medical process. 73 00:07:48,266 --> 00:07:54,435 The medical process is to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. 74 00:07:54,436 --> 00:08:02,315 Here the building is being constructed to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. 75 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:05,235 To satisfy Kṛṣṇa. 76 00:08:05,236 --> 00:08:13,575 And in other places the building is constructed to satisfy senses. 77 00:08:13,576 --> 00:08:18,345 This is the difference, material and spiritual. 78 00:08:18,346 --> 00:08:22,845 Material means to satisfy one’s senses. 79 00:08:22,846 --> 00:08:31,065 Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma yad indriya-prītayā āpṛṇoti [Bhāg. 5.5.4]. 80 00:08:31,066 --> 00:08:39,355 Karma means they are working very hard like dogs and hogs, 81 00:08:39,356 --> 00:08:45,945 but the purpose is indriya-prīti. 82 00:08:45,946 --> 00:08:49,085 Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ: they are mad. 83 00:08:49,086 --> 00:08:52,045 They should not… And why mad? 84 00:08:52,046 --> 00:08:57,306 Because the karma means you are creating another body. 85 00:08:57,307 --> 00:09:03,056 And as soon as there is another body, dehāntara-prāptir, 86 00:09:03,057 --> 00:09:08,156 so long you have got this material body, you’ll suffer. 87 00:09:08,157 --> 00:09:12,866 That is the law of nature. 88 00:09:12,867 --> 00:09:15,346 Karmānu bandhaḥ. 89 00:09:15,347 --> 00:09:22,956 Yāvan prīti mayi deve… tavat karmānu bandhanaḥ [?]. 90 00:09:22,957 --> 00:09:26,186 The karmānu- bandha will continue. 91 00:09:26,187 --> 00:09:30,666 Therefore in the śāstra it is recommended, 92 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:34,866 yajñārthe karma anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [?]. 93 00:09:34,867 --> 00:09:41,106 Don’t act anything except for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa. 94 00:09:41,107 --> 00:09:44,046 That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. 95 00:09:44,047 --> 00:09:48,616 If you do anything for your sense gratification, 96 00:09:48,617 --> 00:09:55,406 that means you are being bound up by the laws of karma. 97 00:09:55,407 --> 00:10:05,636 Laws of karma, it is very strict according to the modes of activities. 98 00:10:05,637 --> 00:10:13,326 Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi bhuṅkte karma-jān guṇān [Bg. 13.22]. 99 00:10:13,327 --> 00:10:24,196 So we should be very much careful not to be afflicted by the karma. 100 00:10:24,197 --> 00:10:25,746 Karmānu bandha. 101 00:10:25,747 --> 00:10:28,415 This is very delicate task. [break] 102 00:10:28,416 --> 00:10:34,287 …but they do not know what is the importance of the varṇāśrama-dharma. 103 00:10:34,288 --> 00:10:36,997 They have broken it. They don’t like. 104 00:10:36,998 --> 00:10:40,287 They want to say classless society. 105 00:10:40,288 --> 00:10:43,437 Classless society cannot be. 106 00:10:43,438 --> 00:10:47,557 Even in Russia, the Communist country, 107 00:10:47,558 --> 00:10:55,337 they wanted to break down the classless society, but they cannot manage. 108 00:10:55,338 --> 00:10:59,977 They have now created a manager class and the worker class. 109 00:10:59,978 --> 00:11:03,557 Why manager class? Make it classless. 110 00:11:03,558 --> 00:11:05,627 But that is not possible. 111 00:11:05,628 --> 00:11:13,187 Therefore in the society there must be managers and the workers. 112 00:11:13,188 --> 00:11:18,747 Without this you cannot work, you cannot make, keep any systematic… 113 00:11:18,748 --> 00:11:23,837 So managers… The varṇāśrama- dharma: the managers, 114 00:11:23,838 --> 00:11:32,087 the brāhmaṇas and the kṣatriyas; and the workers, the vaiśyas and the śūdras. 115 00:11:32,088 --> 00:11:42,257 And less than that, less than the śūdras, the caṇḍālas, they have to be fully controlled, 116 00:11:42,258 --> 00:11:44,437 kirata-hūṇāndhra- pulinda-pulkaśā [?], 117 00:11:44,438 --> 00:11:49,407 because they do not know the regulative principles of life. 118 00:11:49,408 --> 00:11:52,517 They are called caṇḍālas. 119 00:11:52,518 --> 00:11:56,538 So they are described in the śāstra. 120 00:11:56,539 --> 00:12:04,478 So the kṣatriyas, they used to keep these caṇḍālas under full control. 121 00:12:04,479 --> 00:12:08,708 Otherwise the society would be lost. 122 00:12:08,709 --> 00:12:12,278 Unfortunately, there is no kṣatriya, 123 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:17,458 there is no brāhmaṇa, there is no control of the caṇḍālas, 124 00:12:17,459 --> 00:12:23,028 and the whole world is in chaotic condition. 125 00:12:23,029 --> 00:12:29,268 So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is an attempt. 126 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:36,438 Because the caṇḍālas are majority and we are very minority. 127 00:12:36,439 --> 00:12:46,508 But still little portion of good thing is still good, and large amount of bad thing, 128 00:12:46,509 --> 00:12:49,508 that is bad. That is not good. 129 00:12:49,509 --> 00:12:55,108 So here it is stated that people who are lowest amongst men 130 00:12:55,109 --> 00:13:00,178 and bewildered by the illusory energy… This is bewildered. 131 00:13:00,179 --> 00:13:01,458 What is that bewilderment? 132 00:13:01,459 --> 00:13:07,668 They are trying to be happy by material adjustment. 133 00:13:07,669 --> 00:13:11,878 Just this morning we were discussing of the air crash. 134 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:16,978 It is very good to fly in the air, 135 00:13:16,979 --> 00:13:26,318 but at any moment the whole plane may be crashed and all of them finished. 136 00:13:26,319 --> 00:13:31,868 So this kind of material adjustment will not help us. 137 00:13:31,869 --> 00:13:36,019 Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. 138 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:41,339 This is illusory, or māyā sukha. 139 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:43,779 Prahlāda Mahārāja regrets, 140 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:51,659 tato vimukha-cetasā māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān [SB 7.9.43]. 141 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,139 Any moment everything will be crushed. 142 00:13:55,140 --> 00:13:56,479 This is called māyā-sukha. 143 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:05,679 And still they are wasting time, that for māyā-sukhāya, illusion. 144 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,389 They’ll not be happy. 145 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:12,719 Any moment everything can be crushed, and they are busy. 146 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:20,349 Therefore this modern civilization is most dangerous civilization, 147 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:22,849 soul-killing civilization. 148 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:27,379 The human being got the chance of understanding God, 149 00:14:27,380 --> 00:14:33,269 but they are being refused by the authorities to understand God. 150 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:36,639 Rather, if somebody wants to understand, 151 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:46,319 he is checked, he is harassed by the name of brain-washing and mind control. 152 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,839 This is Kali-yuga. 153 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:54,435 Thank you very much [end] 154 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:54,437 Subtitles by Gaurāṅga Sundara Dāsa, Causelessmercy.com