0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,001 SB 6-01-64 VRN 1975-09-01 Above Material Nature 1 00:00:03,002 --> 00:00:06,563 ANNOUNCER: Next is a class on the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 2 00:00:06,564 --> 00:00:10,262 6th canto first chapter, text number 64, 3 00:00:10,263 --> 00:00:16,336 given by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, 4 00:00:16,337 --> 00:00:22,990 recorded on September 1st, 1975 in Vrindavan, India. 5 00:00:22,991 --> 00:00:29,180 PRABHUPĀDA: tām eva toṣayām āsa pitṛyeṇārthena yāvatā 6 00:00:29,181 --> 00:00:36,742 grāmyair manoramaiḥ kāmaiḥ prasīdeta yathā tathā [SB 6.1.64] 7 00:00:36,743 --> 00:00:41,617 So after seeing the woman, 8 00:00:41,618 --> 00:00:47,713 he was meditating always, twenty-four hours, 9 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:53,088 about the subject, lusty desires. 10 00:00:53,089 --> 00:00:56,280 kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.20] 11 00:00:56,281 --> 00:01:07,707 When one becomes lusty, then one becomes lost of all intelligence. 12 00:01:07,708 --> 00:01:16,546 The whole world is going on, on the basis of these lusty desires. 13 00:01:16,547 --> 00:01:19,339 This is material world. 14 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:25,679 And because I am lusty, you are lusty, every one of us, 15 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,493 so as soon as my desires are not fulfilled, 16 00:01:30,494 --> 00:01:33,106 your desires are not fulfilled, 17 00:01:33,107 --> 00:01:38,987 then I become your enemy, you become my enemy. 18 00:01:38,988 --> 00:01:43,602 I cannot see you are making very good progress. 19 00:01:43,603 --> 00:01:49,512 You cannot see me making very good progress. 20 00:01:49,513 --> 00:01:54,318 This is material world, envious, 21 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:59,283 lusty desires, kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mātsarya. 22 00:01:59,284 --> 00:02:05,771 This is the basis of this material world. 23 00:02:05,772 --> 00:02:08,162 So he became… 24 00:02:08,163 --> 00:02:10,212 The training was 25 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:14,896 that he was training to become a brāhmaṇa, 26 00:02:14,897 --> 00:02:22,456 śamo, dama, but the progress became checked 27 00:02:22,457 --> 00:02:28,595 on account of being attached to a woman. 28 00:02:28,596 --> 00:02:32,068 Therefore according to Vedic civilization, 29 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:47,649 the woman is accepted as hindrance to spiritual advancement. 30 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:49,947 The whole basic civilization is 31 00:02:49,948 --> 00:02:54,092 how to avoid… 32 00:02:54,093 --> 00:02:55,658 the Woman... 33 00:02:55,659 --> 00:02:59,757 You do not think that only woman is woman. 34 00:02:59,758 --> 00:03:04,038 The man is also woman. 35 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:09,917 Don’t think that the woman is condemned; man is not. 36 00:03:09,918 --> 00:03:16,834 Woman means enjoyed, and man means enjoyer. 37 00:03:16,835 --> 00:03:25,578 So this feeling, this feeling is condemned. 38 00:03:25,579 --> 00:03:31,207 If I see one woman for enjoyment, so I am man. 39 00:03:31,208 --> 00:03:39,500 And if woman also sees another man for enjoyment, she is also man. 40 00:03:39,501 --> 00:03:43,502 Woman means enjoyed and man means enjoyer. 41 00:03:43,503 --> 00:03:48,207 So anyone who has got feeling of enjoyment, 42 00:03:48,208 --> 00:03:51,863 he is considered to be man. 43 00:03:51,864 --> 00:03:55,144 So here both sexes 44 00:03:55,145 --> 00:03:56,656 meant for… 45 00:03:56,657 --> 00:03:58,747 Everyone is planning, 46 00:03:58,748 --> 00:04:00,804 “How I shall enjoy?” 47 00:04:00,805 --> 00:04:04,689 Therefore he is puruṣa, artificially. 48 00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:11,076 Otherwise, originally, we are all prakṛti, jīva, either woman or man. 49 00:04:11,077 --> 00:04:15,012 This is outward dress. 50 00:04:15,013 --> 00:04:16,821 In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, 51 00:04:16,822 --> 00:04:21,435 apareyam itas tu (anyāṁ) viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām 52 00:04:21,436 --> 00:04:26,089 jīva-bhūtāḥ mahā-bāho yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat [Bg. 7.5] 53 00:04:26,090 --> 00:04:28,204 Prakṛti… 54 00:04:28,205 --> 00:04:36,134 We are prakṛti, material nature, spiritual nature, parā prakṛti. 55 00:04:36,135 --> 00:04:39,981 The material nature is aparā prakṛti, 56 00:04:39,982 --> 00:04:47,596 and we living entities, we are trying to enjoy this prakṛti. 57 00:04:47,597 --> 00:04:49,908 Therefore sometimes the living entity, 58 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:54,693 either man or woman, he is described as puruṣa. 59 00:04:54,694 --> 00:05:01,177 Puruṣa means the one who keeps the feeling of becoming enjoyer. 60 00:05:01,178 --> 00:05:04,325 That is puruṣa. 61 00:05:04,326 --> 00:05:12,768 So this material world is prakṛti and puruṣa. 62 00:05:12,769 --> 00:05:21,229 It is said in the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam in the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva, 63 00:05:21,230 --> 00:05:25,850 puṁsaṁ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etat [SB 5.5.8] 64 00:05:25,851 --> 00:05:29,895 The whole basic principle of 65 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:36,388 material civilization is the attachment between man and woman. 66 00:05:36,389 --> 00:05:42,884 Puṁsaṁ striyā mithunī- bhāva. Mithunī-bhāvam is sex. 67 00:05:42,885 --> 00:05:47,756 And tayor mitho hṛdaya-granthim āhuḥ. 68 00:05:47,757 --> 00:05:59,750 On account of this sex relationship, the man or woman is bound up. 69 00:05:59,751 --> 00:06:06,409 Hṛdaya-granthi. Granthi means knot, and hṛdaya means heart. 70 00:06:06,410 --> 00:06:11,585 So the man is thinking of the woman, and the woman is thinking of man. 71 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:14,697 hṛdaya granthim āhuḥ [SB 5.5.8] 72 00:06:14,698 --> 00:06:19,684 Then we require material possession. 73 00:06:19,685 --> 00:06:27,003 ato gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittair janasya moho 'yam ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8] 74 00:06:27,004 --> 00:06:30,109 This is our material, conditional life. 75 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:36,822 So this man, although he was being trained up as a brāhmaṇa, 76 00:06:36,823 --> 00:06:41,853 his attention was diverted all of a sudden by seeing 77 00:06:41,854 --> 00:06:44,924 one śūdra and śūdrāṇī embracing, 78 00:06:44,925 --> 00:06:47,214 kissing, talking. 79 00:06:47,215 --> 00:06:49,765 So that became his meditation. 80 00:06:49,766 --> 00:06:54,271 Instead of meditating on Viṣṇu, 81 00:06:54,272 --> 00:07:01,575 he began to meditate on that śūdrani. 82 00:07:01,576 --> 00:07:03,697 svayam eva toṣayām āsa [?] 83 00:07:03,698 --> 00:07:04,730 In the first verse, 84 00:07:04,731 --> 00:07:09,194 tan-nimitta-smara-vyāja graha-grasto vicetasaḥ [SB 6.1.63] 85 00:07:09,195 --> 00:07:18,655 became mad, vicetasa, bewildered, as if haunted by ghost. 86 00:07:18,656 --> 00:07:21,105 tām eva manasā dhyāyan [SB 6.1.63] 87 00:07:21,106 --> 00:07:25,264 Always meditating, “How shall I get that woman? 88 00:07:25,265 --> 00:07:27,355 How shall I please that woman 89 00:07:27,356 --> 00:07:33,404 so that she may satisfy my lusty desires?” 90 00:07:33,405 --> 00:07:42,671 Therefore tām eva toṣayām āsa [?]: “His only business was how to please her.” 91 00:07:42,672 --> 00:07:46,211 Now they require money. 92 00:07:46,212 --> 00:07:51,539 So he was not earning money, but pitṛyeṇa, 93 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:58,101 whatever money he inherited from the father’s earning… 94 00:07:58,102 --> 00:08:02,023 The son generally inherits father’s property. 95 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:04,438 then He was the only son. 96 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:08,885 So he was squandering the father’s money 97 00:08:08,886 --> 00:08:12,688 in that way just to please that śūdrāṇī— 98 00:08:12,689 --> 00:08:17,317 tām eva toṣayām āsa pitṛyenārthena yāvatā [SB 6.1.64] 99 00:08:17,318 --> 00:08:19,032 as much as possible. 100 00:08:19,033 --> 00:08:21,626 If he could get more money, 101 00:08:21,627 --> 00:08:27,054 then he would have spent them only for that women. 102 00:08:27,055 --> 00:08:30,164 Grāmyaiḥ. 103 00:08:30,165 --> 00:08:33,633 grāmyair manoramaiḥ… [SB 6.1.64] 104 00:08:33,634 --> 00:08:37,770 This word grāmya is very significant. 105 00:08:37,771 --> 00:08:42,948 Grāmya means external, material. 106 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:45,932 grāmyair manoramaiḥ… [SB 6.1.64] 107 00:08:45,933 --> 00:08:54,396 By the sense gratification, whatever we find very pleasing, 108 00:08:54,397 --> 00:08:58,158 that is called grāmya manorama. 109 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:00,224 Actually that is not pleasing. 110 00:09:00,225 --> 00:09:02,314 That is entangling. 111 00:09:02,315 --> 00:09:04,798 But he became entangled. 112 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:08,305 So grāmyair manoramaiḥ kāmaiḥ. 113 00:09:08,306 --> 00:09:10,573 The basic principle is lust. 114 00:09:10,574 --> 00:09:12,904 …kāmaiḥ prasīdeta yaḥ… [SB 6.1.64] 115 00:09:12,905 --> 00:09:18,526 They wanted to satisfy the woman here and there as soon as meets. 116 00:09:18,527 --> 00:09:26,485 We can see these examples very often. 117 00:09:26,486 --> 00:09:29,439 Then next step was, 118 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:35,916 viprāṁ sva-bhāryām aprauḍhāṁ kule mahati lambhitāṁ 119 00:09:35,917 --> 00:09:46,513 visasarjācirāt pāpaḥ svairiṇyāpāṅga-viddha-dhīḥ [SB 6.1.65] 120 00:09:46,514 --> 00:09:58,684 There are three kinds of women: Kāmiṇī, svairiṇi, and puṁścalī. 121 00:09:58,685 --> 00:10:00,500 Puṁścalī. 122 00:10:00,501 --> 00:10:08,518 Svairiṇi means free, freedom. 123 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:10,840 Nobody is controller. 124 00:10:10,841 --> 00:10:12,274 That is called svairiṇi. 125 00:10:12,275 --> 00:10:18,568 And kāmiṇī means to attract, very much attract. 126 00:10:18,569 --> 00:10:23,514 And another, puṁścalī— 127 00:10:23,515 --> 00:10:25,232 living with woman, and, 128 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:31,254 man for some time; giving up; again another; again another. 129 00:10:31,255 --> 00:10:38,012 That is exemplified by the lightning. 130 00:10:38,013 --> 00:10:41,262 You have seen the lightning 131 00:10:41,263 --> 00:10:42,902 — immediately, within a second, 132 00:10:42,903 --> 00:10:47,624 from this cloud to that cloud, that cloud to that cloud. 133 00:10:47,625 --> 00:10:53,742 So they are called svairiṇi. 134 00:10:53,743 --> 00:10:54,761 So three divisions. 135 00:10:54,762 --> 00:11:01,142 Similarly, there are divisions of men also. 136 00:11:01,143 --> 00:11:07,244 So in this way the material world is very, very entangled. 137 00:11:07,245 --> 00:11:11,777 And if we become Kṛṣṇa conscious, 138 00:11:11,778 --> 00:11:16,858 then we become free from this entanglement. 139 00:11:16,859 --> 00:11:25,976 All these criticisms or the divisions are there for grāmyaiḥ. 140 00:11:25,977 --> 00:11:32,283 Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has advised, grāma-kathā nā śunibe [?], 141 00:11:32,284 --> 00:11:35,245 bhāla nā khāibe nā bhāla nā karibe [?] 142 00:11:35,246 --> 00:11:42,376 This is vairāgya—“Don’t indulge in grāmya-kathā.” 143 00:11:42,377 --> 00:11:47,936 Therefore we always advise, “Don’t read newspaper. 144 00:11:47,937 --> 00:11:57,258 Don’t read any other book,” because it is full of grāmya-kathā, grāmyaiḥ. 145 00:11:57,259 --> 00:11:59,499 So to avoid it as far as possible. 146 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:04,219 There is no need. 147 00:12:04,220 --> 00:12:08,656 What is the news of a grāmya-kathā newspaper? 148 00:12:08,657 --> 00:12:10,434 The same thing repeated. 149 00:12:10,435 --> 00:12:14,184 “Here there is flood, where there is train disaster, 150 00:12:14,185 --> 00:12:20,640 where there is accident, and political, 151 00:12:20,641 --> 00:12:26,370 one politician is giving speech, another politician is giving speech.” 152 00:12:26,371 --> 00:12:29,091 These are the grāmya things. 153 00:12:29,092 --> 00:12:31,847 So we should save ourself. 154 00:12:31,848 --> 00:12:33,565 grāmyair manoramaiḥ… [SB 6.1.64] 155 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:39,271 These externally very attractive news, 156 00:12:39,272 --> 00:12:43,396 we should avoid it completely. 157 00:12:43,397 --> 00:12:47,690 We shall simply talk of Kṛṣṇa. 158 00:12:47,691 --> 00:12:51,287 That is the safest method. 159 00:12:51,288 --> 00:12:54,321 We shall simply talk kṛṣṇa-kathā. 160 00:12:54,322 --> 00:12:57,578 And kṛṣṇa-kathā means 161 00:12:57,579 --> 00:12:59,590 what Kṛṣṇa has said. 162 00:12:59,591 --> 00:13:00,853 That is kṛṣṇa-kathā. 163 00:13:00,854 --> 00:13:04,460 Or what is spoken about Kṛṣṇa. 164 00:13:04,461 --> 00:13:11,584 So Bhagavad-gītā means kṛṣṇa- kathā, what Kṛṣṇa has said. 165 00:13:11,585 --> 00:13:15,046 And Śrīmad Bhāgavatam is also kṛṣṇa-kathā 166 00:13:15,047 --> 00:13:20,621 because everything said about Kṛṣṇa. 167 00:13:20,622 --> 00:13:26,468 So we don’t We should not indulge in grāmya-kathā. 168 00:13:26,469 --> 00:13:27,855 That will mislead us. 169 00:13:27,856 --> 00:13:31,817 And if we do not indulge in grāmya-kathā, 170 00:13:31,818 --> 00:13:38,059 but you if we make advancement on Kṛṣṇa-kathā, 171 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:43,292 then we are always situated on transcendental position. 172 00:13:43,293 --> 00:13:47,623 We are no more affected by the modes of material nature. 173 00:13:47,624 --> 00:13:53,348 sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26] 174 00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:56,333 So we should stick to this principle. 175 00:13:56,334 --> 00:13:58,558 Then we shall be saved. 176 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,836 Otherwise, either I become man or woman, 177 00:14:01,837 --> 00:14:08,763 we are all condemned because we are implicated with grāmya-kathā. 178 00:14:08,764 --> 00:14:10,457 grāmya-kathā should be avoided. 179 00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:14,677 The temple is specially meant for Kṛṣṇa-kathā. 180 00:14:14,678 --> 00:14:17,869 Here there is no other business than Kṛṣṇa. 181 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:25,272 Therefore a temple is always transcendental, nirguṇa. 182 00:14:25,273 --> 00:14:27,832 Nirguṇa. 183 00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:33,044 If you live in the forest, that is sattva-guṇa. 184 00:14:33,045 --> 00:14:37,135 If you live in the city, that is rajo-guṇa. 185 00:14:37,136 --> 00:14:43,160 And if you live in the brothel or liquor house or gambling house, 186 00:14:43,161 --> 00:14:45,204 that is tamo-guṇa. 187 00:14:45,205 --> 00:14:51,279 But if you live in the temple, that is nirguṇa. 188 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,288 trai-guṇya-viṣayā vedā nistrai-guṇyo bhavārjuna [Bg. 2.45] 189 00:14:55,289 --> 00:14:57,626 This is advice of Kṛṣṇa. 190 00:14:57,627 --> 00:15:03,896 The whole world is complicated with the three modes of material nature, 191 00:15:03,897 --> 00:15:10,379 and you have to become above this material nature. 192 00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:19,904 nistrai-guëyo bhavärjuna [Bg. 2.45] 193 00:15:19,905 --> 00:15:19,906 Subtitles by Bhavanshu Sharma, Causelessmercy.com