Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: …that sex is there. Sudama: Yes, yes. Prabhupada: That is not missed. Sudama: No. Prabhupada: Therefore, Bhagavata says, visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Visaya, the four things—eating, sleeping, mating, defending—in any condition of life they’re available. They’re available. It doesn’t matter in what condition of life you are living, but these things are available. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Sarvatah means everywhere, in any condition. This is available. And still, people are busy for these four things. Good morning. (to passers-by) That is assured, that any condition of life, you’ll have these four things. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah. Therefore we should not endeavor for these four things. That is already fixed. I’ll get in any condition of life. Then? What for our energy should be employed? Which was not available, wandering up and down, beginning from the heavenly planet down to the Pluto’s planet. This is a passenger ship? Sudama: Yes. Prabhupada: They stand there, and passengers come here? Through boats? Sudama: Yes. The ships like this go around the Orient, to japan and Indonesia. (japa) Are the shoes comfortable? Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …available in any condition of life. People are making gorgeous arrangement for that thing. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Visaya, material necessities, they are available… Passers-by: Good morning. Prabhupada: Good morning. In any condition of life: birds, bees, insect, vagabond, wretched… Everyone will get it. [break] …motorcars, in your country. If somehow or other, one can secure one motorcar, then life is secure. Bali Mardana: He very feels secure. Sudama: Yes, yes. He feels he has freedom. He can go anywhere. Prabhupada: Only depend on motorcar. Sudama: Yes. Now everyone is very fearful because there is no gas for the motorcar. Prabhupada: Yes. Bali Mardana: They say that a man walking in the street does not feel so big, but once he gets behind the wheel of the motorcar he becomes very puffed up. Prabhupada: Yes. That is natural. He thinks, “I am motorcar.” He identifies. (japa) Satsvarupa: We say sense gratification is available for everyone, but they don’t agree. They think, “If I don’t have this nice apartment it’s not the same as sleeping in a bad condition.” Prabhupada: Bad condition, good condition, that is another thing. But you get it. You get it. Bad condition, good condition, that is my consideration, but things are available. Even the best apartment in India, that is not a good apartment for America. This is simply my mental concoction: “This is good; that is bad.” I am thinking, “It is the best;” another may think, “Oh, it is lowest.” The hog is thinking stool is very nice food, and I am thinking, “What is this nonsense thing?” So “best” and “good”, it is simply mental concoction, it has no value. Just like these western people, what is their ultimate standard of best, nobody knows. Nobody knows. Just like hundred years before, there was no skyscraper building, but now even best skyscraper building is not best. So where is the standard of best and… It is all mental concoction. Sudama: Just like in New York, at one time the Empire State Building was the biggest; now they have built two buildings that are the biggest in the world now. Prabhupada: Yes. Now someday it will be lowest. Satsvarupa: Yes, already in Chicago they’re building one, a Sears building. Bali Mardana: Bigger. Prabhupada: So what is the standard of best and lowest. There is no standard. This is called maya. Bali Mardana: Many philosophers have tried to define what is the best. Prabhupada: Eh? Bali Mardana: Many philosophers have tried to define what is the best. Prabhupada: They cannot. Bali Mardana: It’s not possible. Prabhupada: They cannot. It is not possible. Bali Mardana: They have no Absolute. Prabhupada: No. They have no idea. Mental speculators, they are no good. (wind noise) Mental speculator means harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-guna manorathena [SB 5.18.12], manorathena by the mental plane, airship, he’s simply hovering. They have no standard. Bali Mardana: So a devotee does not have to cogitate too much. Whatever satisfies Krsna, that is best. Prabhupada: That’s all. Krsna is best. That’s all. And whatever is done for Krsna, that is best. That’s all. We have got a standard; therefore we are satisfied. “Even in distressed condition, because Krsna has given me distress, so-called distress, it is not distress. So this is all right.” Because here, distress or happiness, they are simply mental concoction. Dvaite bhadra… I am in the material existence— that is my distress. That distress has to be removed, not this temporary distress or happiness. (japa) Satsvarupa: But when we try to help people in that way, they don’t care for our help. Prabhupada: Eh? Eh? Satsvarupa: We try to give people that. They don’t want that; they want temporary help. Prabhupada: That’s all right. They are mad. Still, we have to do that. Madmen does not, he doesn’t think that “I require anyone’s help.” But still, the father, mother, guardian, government, gives him help. We are not dependent on their decision; we are dependent on Krsna. Therefore, para-duhkha-duhkhi: Vaisnava is unhappy seeing others unhappy. Otherwise, they have no unhappiness. They are unhappy seeing that “This rascal is unnecessarily suffering.” That is unhappiness of Vaisnava. Soce tato vimukha-cetasa… Prahlada Maharaja said, “I have no, any problem, but I’m simply thinking of these rascals, that for some temporary happiness they make so gorgeous arrangement, and forgotten their real business.” Just like all these… What is this city? At any moment, it will be finished, but… Just like they’re flying, fleeing some other place, “America will be destroyed.” So why they have spoiled so much energy? They do not know where to apply the energy for real benefit. Mudha. Therefore they have been called as mudha, duskrtina, duskrtina: showing very good merit for this big, big building, big, big road… Krti, krti means meritorious. But duskrti. Duskrti means for useless purpose, real purpose missing. They have no information of the soul within the body; simply they are engaged in the bodily activities. The soul is neglected. mayar bose, jaccho bhese’, kaccho habudubu bhai (japa) [break] …at least one verse of Bhagavata, every one of you, and try to understand scrutinizingly, life will be successful. At least one verse. Bali Mardana: Every day? Prabhupada: Every day. Why I am taking so much trouble? Everything enlightened. Bali Mardana: I was reading yesterday about the talks between Uddhava and Maitreya and Krsna, and it described that previously Uddhava was one of the eight Vasus who desired to associate with the Lord. Prabhupada: Yes. Bali Mardana: What is exactly the position of the Vasus? Prabhupada: Vasus, they are demigods. Before appearance of Krsna, some of the exalted demigods were ordered to come and arrange for His arrival. So Uddhava arrived, and many others arrived. They were coming from heavenly planets. Bali Mardana: Bhismadeva was also one of the Vasus previously. Prabhupada: Yes. Asta-vasu. Bali Mardana: In Bhismadeva’s instructions, while he was dying, one of the questions that he was asked is “Which is more powerful, action or destiny, karma?” He replied that they are both very powerful, but of the two, action was more powerful. Prabhupada: Time. Reaction. Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna… What is that bird? (tropical-sounding bird in background) Bird, or something else? Bali Mardana: Bird. Prabhupada: That sound? [break] …our philosophy of Krsna consciousness if they actually want to be happy. This is a fact. Not sentimentally, but scientifically, philosophically. Let them… Let the biggest scientists, biggest philosopher, come and understand. [break] …gone away, but nobody saw. Bali Mardana: Yeah, they saw, but it was very faint. It was not as bright as was expected. Sudama: It did not collide. It did not hit the earth. Prabhupada: Oh. But only they saw? Bali Mardana: No, it was visible to the naked eye, but very faintly, not as bright as it was predicted. Sudama: They had predicted that it was going to be as bright as three… Prabhupada: …millions times… Sudama: …moons, like a full moon night. [break] Bali Mardana: …predictions were going around about the end of the earth was coming… Sudama: End of the earth. Forty… They said they had forty days, forty days left. Prabhupada: How rascals they are, just see. I never believed. How shall I believe? I know it cannot be done. That Easy Journey to Other Planets, I have described the moon-going-plan—a childish. Did I not? Sudama: Yes. [break] Prabhupada: The cloud is not big, as big as the sky. Similarly, the material world is also… It is insignificant in comparison to the spiritual world. Some portion of it is covered by maya just like this cloud. (japa) Passer-by: Good morning. Prabhupada: Good morning. (japa) [break] …jnana-bala-kriya ca. How one bird or flower should be beautiful, nicely decorated? Krsna gives His energy only a little and everything is there. Sva-bhaviki jnana… Just as if a very good artist has painted nicely. Sva-bhaviki-jnana-bala-kriya ca. How to do it, that Krsna knows. That is His inconceivable energy. Sudama: So then like the sunset; that is also Krsna’s artistry? Prabhupada: Everywhere. [break] …mam pasyati sarvatra sarvam ca mayi pasyati. That is advancement of Krsna consciousness: everywhere one sees Krsna, and in Krsna he sees everything. Therefore he sees Krsna only. He sees nothing. And the atheist will say, “Where is Krsna?” And advanced devotee will say, “Everywhere Krsna, antar bahih, inside and outside.” Nato natya dharo yatha (?). Sudama: Then it is a devotee’s misconception if he thinks that Krsna is outside everywhere, but He’s not in the temple. Because I remember… Prabhupada: He’s not a devotee, he’s a rascal. Sudama: Yes, because in one of your… in Nectar of Devotion, you explain about some Mayavadis. Sometimes they think that Krsna is not in the Deity but He is everywhere else. Prabhupada: That is his rascaldom. And these ships require huge quantities of petrol. Bali Mardana: Many ships now, they are lying idle in the ports for lack of petrol. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
January 23, 1974, Hawaii