Morning Walk Conversation
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
April 14, 1974, Bombay

Prabhupada: Find out wine and woman. That’s all.

Giriraja: (reading) “While they were thus enjoying themselves…”

Prabhupada: But in America I don’t think there is such thing.

Dr. Patel: These nightclubs and all these things is of this type.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.

Dr. Patel: I have not seen a single nightclub though I studied in England for two years. [break]

Prabhupada: …Narada, but still they are sinful. Such a great personality like Narada, they had seen, but still they are sinful. Go on.

Giriraja: “As such, the great sage Narada considered that because the demigods Nalakuvara and Manigriva were so infatuated by false prestige, they should be put in a condition of life devoid of opulence.” [break]

Prabhupada: …bench, standing. The small children, they are punished, “Stand up on the bench.” It is like that.

Dr. Patel: All vegetables are in tamas, in tamas…

Prabhupada: No. Some of them, fruitful, those trees for supplying nice fruits, nice flowers, they are in the goodness. Everywhere the three qualities are working.

Yasomatinandana: There may be dog in the mode of goodness?

Prabhupada: No, dog is an animal. He is in the ignorance. But the cow is in goodness. Sattva-raja-tamo.

Dr. Patel: Horse is in rajas.

Prabhupada: Horse, lions. The monkey is in tamas.

Dr. Patel: And animal is in tamas and rajas…

Prabhupada: Everything, there are three qualities, everywhere.

Dr. Patel: More rajas is in monkeys because they are more active. [break]

Prabhupada: They are researching for something which is useless. Therefore tamas. Rajas-tamo-bhavah kama-lobhadayas ca ye. This is the effect of rajas tamas: kama and lobha, greedy and always hankering after.

Dr. Patel: But sometimes real scientists speak out the truth. [break]

Prabhupada: Don’t give pain to others. Others, painful condition. If you feel pain by certain condition, that is…

Dr. Patel: Atmavat sarva bhutesu.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: “Generally it is seen that one who has risen from a poverty- stricken life and becomes wealthy creates some charitable institution at the end of his life…” [break]

Prabhupada: …goes to market and gets some of this… What is called, bhuta bhuta?

Yasomatinandana: Corns.

Prabhupada: Corns. [break]

Dr. Patel: That is why I say that rasana (tongue) is not so strong as sisna (genital).

Prabhupada: No, if you do not allow rasana to enjoy much, sisna will be subdued.

Dr. Patel: But still, I mean personally, for myself, I don’t have any taste for any food. In fact I have been taking all the food together just like the sannyasis and I don’t have any taste. But still I have from within me I don’t find that form of sex carrying out even though I am a scientist.

Prabhupada: Yes. Caitanya Mahaprabhu used to say that “Sex life is so strong that even if I see one wooden female form I become excited.”

Dr. Patel: I feel the same thing.

Prabhupada: Yes. So this is not unnatural. Caitanya Mahaprabhu tells this because this cannot be avoided. But by knowledge it can be avoided.

Dr. Patel: We were talking the same thing.

Prabhupada: Yes, by knowledge. Yes. But “Because I am excited, therefore I have to do this,” that is not good.

Dr. Patel: But then I found out the solution for this. As soon as you feel excitement… [break] Then you have nothing to do with it.

Prabhupada: Therefore knowledge.

Dr. Patel: That I have started practicing this for some time. And I feel a great solace in that.

Prabhupada: That has been recommended by Sankaracarya, that “Why you are attracted by these forms? It is only a combination of flesh and marrow. That’s all.”

Dr. Patel: No, but who is attracted? The indriya is attracted. I am beyond indriya. That also you think. [break]

Prabhupada: So long we are associated… The example I have given many times, that I am sitting on a car, and the car there is accident. I am not car. Still, I am excited, “Oh, my car is lost. Why you have struck my car?” There is so much quarrel. But it is a fact, he knows that “I am not the car.” That is called abhinivesa.

Dr. Patel: Wrong orientation.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] Canakya Pandita says, matrvat para-daresu: “Always think of other’s wife as mother.”

Dr. Patel: Matrvat…

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …also have to die.

Dr. Patel: We die, don’t mind, but we want others to die as Muslims. We want to die them as Hindus. [break] …Supersonic sound.

Prabhupada: Supersonic, what is that? Any circumstance, the ruling power is nature. He cannot avoid that. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14] [break] …more their senses are turbulent. This is also… Therefore there is one tapasa brahmacaryena [SB 6.1.13] and the word anasana, anasana, “not eating.” Eating should be reduced.

Dr. Patel: Tapasa brahmacaryena… [break]

Prabhupada: …yamena damena. There are so many. Out of that, there is one, anasana, not eating. Yes. [break]

Giriraja: “…not very turbulent, he cannot become violent.” [break]

Prabhupada: …yuktahara. Not to eat more, not to eat less. That is required. [break] …when I was alone in Baroda, I was making my customers for Back to Godhead. So I entered one gentleman’s house and from the porch he was, “Don’t come! Don’t come! Don’t come!” (laughs) Immediately.

Dr. Patel: Baroda was a very small place then. [break]

Prabhupada: …if I go to place, jataji bhiksa dijiye, so everyone will be compassionate. And it is our duty, at least in Vedic civilization, that when a sannyasi comes he is received. Aiye, maharaja, betiye. Still. Still in the villages they do that. Just like it is mentioned in the sastra that brahmacaris and sannyasis should be taken as the sons of the society.

Dr. Patel: In Poona, even today in Poona… [break]

Prabhupada: They are trained like that, very good. [break] It is compulsory that every man should become a mendicant for some time.

Indian Man (1): They must have experience of that. [break]

Prabhupada: …there is a temple, Tarakesvara, in Hoogli district. So Lord Siva… So people, I mean to say, pray that “If my this disease is cured or if I get this victory, I shall become a sannyasi for a month.” (laughs) So that system is going on. They become sannyasis for one month. There are hundreds and thousands.

Dr. Patel: They… [break]

Prabhupada: This is called “one month sannyasi.” That is not mentioned in the sastra, but it has come into custom. [break] …and if he returns, he is called vantasi, yes, “eating the vomit.”

Indian Man (1): Before giving sannyasa the teacher will take proper care that his mind is already peaceful and all… [break]

Prabhupada: …obeisances, we take out our shoes. That is a system.

Indian Man (1): Even the hat…

Prabhupada: Hat, yes. [break] …naked is not civilization. It is not civilization.

Dr. Patel: That means practice tapas right from the beginning of your days… [break]

Prabhupada: The body is changed.

Dr. Patel: It’s not iccha-dvesa samutthena dvandva-mohena? [break]

Prabhupada: That past life, because the body is changed, you forget.

Dr. Patel: Some of the people…

Prabhupada: Some of the…

Dr. Patel: I don’t know how it is, it is difficult to explain.

Prabhupada: That is special. That is special.

Dr. Patel: There is a big research going on in the parapsychology, here in India and America.

Prabhupada: No, it is by the grace of God one can remember about his past life. [break] …practical experience. In our family, my mother’s eldest sister, her son of a previous birth came to see her. Old man, very old man. [break] This is called illusion.

Dr. Patel: All relations of the son, child, wife, husband, all these are of the… [break]

Prabhupada: …just like in the river sometimes several straws will meet together. And again they disperse. [break] We get our body and mix together, and again we are dispersed by the waves of time. [break] …at the end we shall see Krsna. [break]

Giriraja: “…the original Personality of Godhead, master of all mystic powers, learned brahmanas know very well that this cosmic manifestation is an expansion of Your potency.” [break]

Prabhupada: …and Nalakuvara, but He remained bound up.

Indian Man (1): About His lila?

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] Yasodamayi is more powerful than Krsna.

Indian Man (1): No, devotees are more powerful always.

Prabhupada: (laughing) Just see. He liberated Nalakuvera, but He remained bound up by the rope of Yasodamayi. [break] …children. [break] …some conjugal love.

Dr. Patel: Then he became eight years old. How could any gopi have conjugal love with a boy of seven or eight years?

Indian Man (1): Spiritual love.

Prabhupada: That is not this love. That is a different love.

Dr. Patel: Conjugal love is madhurya-rasa.

Prabhupada: Madhurya-rasa, yes… [break] eat along with my father. Unless I come, father will not…

Dr. Patel: But you were brought up in a big city, but I was brought up in a small village. Actually… [break]

Prabhupada: The same. It doesn’t matter whether it is in the village or town.

Dr. Patel: In the village we eat more. We used to buy… (end)