Morning Walk Excerpts
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
May 2, 1974, Bombay

Prabhupada: …arrange meetings in the school, colleges, societies, big, big halls. Because they may not come. They are not attracted to the temple meetings. They think, “This temple is temple, some priestly class.” They want philosophy, logic, science. So they have to be convinced. Not sentiments. So those who are advanced, they are not in favor of religious sentiments, because they have got experience, “Now, some sentiments…” But they do not understand what is this sentiment. Therefore they have to be understood through logic, philosophy, science. [break]

Giriraja: …meeting a week from Saturday.

Prabhupada: Oh, where?

Giriraja: Well, it’s on Marine Drive. Somebody just became a life member, but he is inviting six hundred guests on the terrace of the building.

Prabhupada: Very good. This kind of meeting should be arranged. Hare Krsna. [break] It is also our business, to kill all undesirable men so-called swamis, yogis, avataras. What is that? Krsna…

Giriraja: (reading) “Krsna, who advented Himself just to kill all undesirable elements in the world…”

Prabhupada: Yes. Similarly, this movement is advented to kill all the so-called yogis, swamis, avataras, rascals, philosophers, commentators. We have to kill. Kill means… Where is your tilaka? You did not have tilaka in the morning?

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Ah. So this is our one of the items, to vanquish all these rascals, so-called swamis. They say that “Why you criticize others also?” Because we have to vanquish them. Now these people cannot rise. When there is sunrise, there is no use of these glowworms. So this Krsna consciousness movement is Krsna Himself. Therefore they must be finished, all over the world. So- called religionists, so-called philosophers, so-called avataras, swamis, yogis—finished. Our program should be like that. [break] …all these rascals, anymore to flourish. That is one of our program. (Hindi) [break]

Giriraja: Garuda put some nectar on the tree to preserve it.

Prabhupada: Yes, nectar, ambrosia. Amrta, amrta.

Giriraja: Is it spiritual?

Prabhupada: Yes. Amrta means spiritual. [break] But this grief is for Krsna. Therefore it is spiritual.

Dr. Patel: The gopis became in grief when Krsna went away.

Prabhupada: Center is Krsna.

Dr. Patel: I want to read this Srimad-Bhagavatam five times in one year.

Prabhupada: Oh yes. You read it. You will be benefitted. Srimad-Bhagavatam amalam puranam. Amalam: There is no black spot. Amalam puranam. Yad vaisnavanam priya…

Dr. Patel: I have read all the modern literatures… [break]

Prabhupada: …namany anantasya yaso ’nkitani yat srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah. Even there is some broken language, abaddhavat api. Abaddha, not systematized. Because there is explanation, namany anantasya yaso ’nkitani, therefore srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah. Sadhu, they do not take care of this. They see what is the bhava there. Budha bhava-samanvitah.

Dr. Patel: Something they’ll say, “Why do you want to go after Sanskrit? That will be all right if you are merged with God.”

Prabhupada: Yes, that is real thing. God is not concerned with any language.

Giriraja: “Out of fear they could only cry in agony and stand erect on the banks.”

Dr. Patel: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Oh yes, that is their… That is right.

Giriraja: “…unable to help their beloved Krsna. While this scene was taking place on the bank of the Yamuna, there were ill omens manifest. The earth trembled, meteors fell from the sky, and the bodies of men shivered.” [break]

Prabhupada: If a boy has got alone, without his elder brother, you see, there is anxiety also.

Dr. Patel: Even though they have realized the extraordinary quality of the sun, but they have not been able to think that he is God incarnate.

Prabhupada: This means these things, these sentiments—anxiety, grief, anger, all these things—they are constant companion with the living entity. You cannot give it up. But when they are used for Krsna, that is perfection. That is upadhi-sunya, without any designation.

Satsvarupa: Prabhupada, we are only neophytes. How we can know if our anxiety is still material when we feel anxiety in devotional service?

Prabhupada: No, no. If you feel anxiety for Krsna, then it is not material. That anxiety is not… That is love. That is pure love, that… Why you become anxious for our children? Because there is love. So whole scheme is that you have to transfer your attachment to Krsna.

Dr. Patel: All bhakti should be directed to the sacred feet of Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan. This is called bhakti-yoga. Mayy asakta. The asakti, the attachment, is for so many things. Now we have to concentrate it on Krsna. This is bhakti-yoga. Mayy asakta manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Simply by this concentration of an attraction to Krsna, you become liberated. This is the process.

Dr. Patel: First you must perfect your thinking of Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. When you think of Krsna, you are on the transcendental position. You are not in the material world. Mam ca vyabhicarini bhakti-yogena yah sevate, sa gunan samatitya etan. He is immediately transcendental to all the qualities of material world.

Dr. Patel: Then he becomes brahma-bhuta.

Prabhupada: Yes. So if continuously… That is our Krsna consciousness movement. If you continuously remain yourself, thinking of Krsna, smartavyah satato visnu vismartavyo na jatucit. This is the process: You have to think of Krsna always. The yogis and others, they artificially, for a certain time, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes or half an hour, they think of Krsna by meditation, and they engage again in the material activities. But here…

Dr. Patel: The yogis have got difficulty… [break]

Prabhupada: …helpful to bhakti.

Dr. Patel: That is why they are… I am getting sidetracked.

Prabhupada: They think that these are the processes, mechanical process. Krsna-bhakti is not mechanical. It is spontaneous. When you spontaneously think of Krsna, that is perfection. [break] Abhyabhicarini. [break] Apratihata. Yena atma prasidati. [break] …anxiety for Krsna. Therefore it is transcendental.

Dr. Patel: All mana buddhi should be concentrated to the sacred feet of Krsna. [break].

Prabhupada: …Madana-mohan, nobody can be saved from the hands of Madana. Madana-mohana we have to see.

Dr. Patel: That day we talked about these things… [break]

Prabhupada: …perfection. They think of Krsna that “He is our child. Now He is going to be vanquished.”

Dr. Patel: Because it was very late to come back from… [break]

Prabhupada: Same sentiment, but in relation with Krsna.

Dr. Patel: These sentiments are not absent in American society these days. That is why these boys are neglected by the parents. [break]

Prabhupada: …philosophers, Vedantists. They were small children, woman, village persons and animals. But they were so much, I mean to say, full with the Krsna consciousness. That is the perfection. [break] They’re so fortunate. [break] Anxiety is also thinking of Krsna, nothing else but Krsna: “How Krsna was smiling with us, how He was playing.” That is natural. If you have got love for anyone.

Dr. Patel: “What will happen to us when He is not there?”

Prabhupada: Yes. Thinking of Krsna.

Dr. Patel: To think, it surrounds…

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …everything is there, but centered around Krsna. [break] Govinda virahena me. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s teaching. Sunyayitam jagat-sarvam govinda virahena me: “By Govinda’s separation, whole world is void.” You see? These are exhibited in the person of the…

Dr. Patel: That… [break]

Prabhupada: “…Krsna is gone, I shall die.” This is govinda virahena me. “Oh, what is the use of living if Krsna is gone?”

Dr. Patel: He was just a boy of five, six, seven years. [break]

Giriraja: …about a hundred hoods, how could Krsna manage all of those hoods?

Prabhupada: Oh, then you do not understand Krsna. You are trying to understand Krsna from your point of view. Kaliya may have unlimited number of hoods; still, Krsna can expand Himself. That is Krsna. You are thinking Krsna from your standpoint of view.

Giriraja: So He did it, He expanded Himself.

Prabhupada: Oh yes.

Bhagavata: But did the residents of Vrndavana see the many expansions or did they only see one Krsna?

Prabhupada: They may see one. That is not very difficult to understand. Just like Arjuna saw the virata-rupa of Krsna, and others saw Krsna as chariot driver. Those who are Krsna conscious people, their seeing of Krsna and ordinary man’s seeing of Krsna, there is much difference. They think that “What is this? A boy, a village boy, they are worshiping.” One so-called sadhu in Haridvar he has remarked like that, that “Bhaktivedanta Swami is worshiping a rural boy.”

Indian Man: That was in the Times.

Bhagavata: A rural God.

Prabhupada: Yes. (laughing)

Giriraja: Another thing we were discussing yesterday is that in Goloka there are no demons.

Prabhupada: No. There cannot be any demons. Then how it is Vaikuntha? Vaikuntha means without any anxiety. So the situation of anxiety is created by the demons. Therefore, when Krsna wants to fight, He has to come down here because there is no question of fighting. There is no chance of fighting. Everyone is devotee. A devotee will never agree. But they will agree Krsna’s fight, but here, in this field.

Giriraja: But the sentiment of anxiety or fear for Krsna, is that sentiment in Goloka?

Prabhupada: No. There is no such thing. That is separation. Just like gopis, they are full of anxiety: “Oh, Krsna has gone to the pasturing ground.” Their anxiety is there. Just like Rukmini, she was thinking, “Oh, Krsna may not give me up. He is talking in this way.” She fainted. So anxiety is there. So the anxiety is that one may not be separated from Krsna. That is the anxiety. And actually there is no separation, but the feeling of separation out of ecstatic love. Just like one who has got love for the other person, beloved, he always thinks like that, “My beloved may not be separated from me.” This is ecstasy of love. Just like a miser man who has got much wealth, he always thinks, “My money may not be lost. My money may not be lost.” Out of his too much attachment for the money, he thinks like that. Is it not? “How shall I protect this money? How shall I protect this?” To earn money is also troublesome. To keep money also troublesome. And when it is lost, that is also troublesome. This is the position. But there is no such thing, loss, but the anxiety is there. We shall return from here? [break] …vinasaya ca duskrtam. So both the sadhu and the duskrtina, by Krsna’s two activities, act differently to the devotees and to the demons. They realize. That is their achievement. By punishment, this Kaliya realized, “Oh, Krsna is the Supreme Lord.” And devotees, by out of love, they realize. Therefore Krsna is Absolute. In either process He is realized. Mama vartmanuvartante manusyah partha sarvasah. If one is sincere, then they gradually make progress. Yes. [break] …vinasaya ca duskrtam.

Giriraja: “O Lord, You have descended especially for the purpose of annihilating all kinds of disturbing elements within the world, and because You are the Absolute Truth, there is no difference between Your mercy and punishment.” [break]

Prabhupada: …surgical operation is there, the knife is being used on the body, that means he is getting relief. It is not punishment. Hare Krsna. (Hindi) [break]

Giriraja: Is that benefit coming in all suffering or only when it is given by Krsna?

Prabhupada: Yes. When there is suffering given by Krsna… Therefore a devotee does not take seriously suffering. Tat te ’nukampam susumiksamanah. A devotee thinks, “It is the favor of Krsna that he has put me into suffering.” They never see suffering as suffering. It is favor of Krsna. That is devotee’s vision. [break] It is exactly like a son who knows his father well. If the father slaps, the son never protests. He knows that “It is good for me.” Similarly, a devotee is never disturbed when there is suffering given by Krsna. [break]

Giriraja: A karmi is suffering just the laws of…

Prabhupada: The karmi is different. The karmi is suffering. He is suffering just like criminal is suffering. A criminal is given slap by the police. That slap, and the father is giving slap, that slap is different. Although it looks the same thing, but there is great difference.

Satsvarupa: So there is no benefit to suffering unless it is connected with Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. When Krsna… Therefore we shall fully surrender to Krsna. As Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, marobi rakhobi yo iccha tohara: “Now I surrender. Now if you want to maintain me, that is all right, and if You want to kill me, that is also all right.” This is surrender. It is not business, “If You maintain me, then I surrender. If You kill me, then I do not.” It is not like that. Marobi rakhobi yo iccha tanhara. “As You like. If You want to maintain, that is also good; if You want to kill, that is also good.” This is devotee’s view.

Satsvarupa: Someone might say, “But if one is surrendered why should Krsna give him trouble?”

Prabhupada: Yes, it is because he is always free. Why do you make Krsna dependent on your so-called good-will, that “Krsna must give me always pleasure”? This is sense gratification. This is sense gratification that you approach Krsna for your comfort, sense gratification. That is not bhakti. That is sense gratification. Prahlada Maharaja was given suffering by his father so harshly, but he never said, “Oh, I am devotee and Krsna giving me so much trouble? Oh! Give it up.” He never said that. Neither he asked Krsna to come and save him. That is Krsna-bhakti. The Pandavas. The Pandavas, they were always with Krsna and they were suffering. They never asked Krsna that “You are the Supreme, and why we are suffering?” Never said. Never said. That is Krsna-bhakti.

Giriraja: “Because You are the Absolute Truth, there is no difference between Your mercy and punishment.”

Prabhupada: Yes. This is to be understood. If we understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Absolute Truth, then this is understanding, that either suffering or enjoying, it is all Krsna’s mercy. There must be some purpose. When Krsna puts me into suffering, there must be some purpose. So we should welcome because it is Krsna’s mercy. Tat te ’nukampam susumiksamano bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam. (Hindi) [break] “…misdeeds. It is Krsna’s mercy that He is reforming me, slightly suffering. I would have suffered very greatly on account of my past deeds, but He is kindly accommodating me by giving little suffering. That’s all.” [break] …by the wife of Kaliya.

Giriraja: [break] “…that this creature, appearing in the body of a serpent, must have been overburdened with all kinds of sins. Otherwise how could he have the body of a serpent? Your dancing on his hoods reduces all the sinful results of actions caused by his having this body of a serpent.” [break]

Prabhupada: …to becomes angry by Krsna is auspicious, auspicious. It is a very nice verse. “It is very auspicious that you have become angry upon him. He is getting salvation.” [break] …the punishment of Krsna, one has to execute many pious activities in his past life, just to get the punishment of Krsna. And what to speak of love of Krsna, how much pious activities one has to do. If for being punished by Krsna, one has to undergo lots of pious activities in the past life, then just see, to be loved by Krsna, how much one has to undergo pious activities. Krta-punya-punjah. That is described. Krta-punya-punjah. Punja means heaps, volumes, volumes of pious activities. Then one can come to Krsna. Yesam anta-gatam papam jananam punya-karmanam. Nobody can come to Krsna unless he has background of pious activities and one who has become freed from all sinful activities. Yesam anta-gatam papam jananam punya-karmanam. This is the qualification. [break]

Giriraja: …some of our disciples, it is seems that in this life they did many sinful activities.

Prabhupada: But because they have surrendered, all sinful activities is counteracted. Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. Anyone surrenders sincerely to the lotus feet of Krsna, immediately he becomes free from all reaction of sinful life. Because he is saved. Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah: “Don’t worry.” This is the process. So however one might have done or executed so many sinful activities, if he fully surrenders to Krsna, then everything is counteracted immediately. But not that repetition, that “I surrender to Krsna; then again I’ll do some sinful activities and again I surrender.” This business will not be allowed. This is called namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. That is the greatest sin, on the strength of Krsna’s mercy, to go on repeating sinful activities. That is greatest sin. Krsna can excuse you—aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksa…, ma sucah—but you don’t make it business, that “I commit all sinful activities and surrender to Krsna to counteract.” No, this is not good. This will not be allowed. [break] …but you cannot cheat him. Then you’ll suffer.

Giriraja: [break] “…been pleased by his undergoing all kinds of penances and austerities, and he must have executed universal welfare activities for all living creatures. The Naga-patnis confirmed that one cannot come in contact with Krsna without having executed pious activities in devotional service in his previous lives.” [break]

Prabhupada: …double feature is not understood by the Mayavadis. If Krsna has created the whole, so why he should be separate? He is not separate, still separate. [break] …regularly this book Krsna, he will be liberated, simply by reading this book.

Giriraja: [break] “…narration of the Kaliya serpent and his punishment will need fear no more the envious activities of snakes. The Lord also declared, ‘If one takes a bath in the Kaliya lake where My cowherd boyfriends and I have bathed, or if one, fasting for a day, offers oblations to the forefathers from the water of this lake, he will be relieved from all kinds of sinful reaction.’ ” [break]

Bhagavata: …actually are devotees or how do they become demons? Are they devotees? Obviously Kaliya is… Just like Jaya and Vijaya, they were devotees. And due to some offense, then they became demons and they fought with Krsna to satisfy Krsna.

Prabhupada: Anyone who is living in this material world is a demon. Hare Krsna. Where is your mother?

Indian Lady: She is at home.

Bhagavata: But only certain demons get to fight with Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is special demon.

Bhagavata: So those special demons, are they are all like Jaya and Vijaya, are they all in that position?

Prabhupada: No, not necessarily.

Bhagavata: But to get to fight with Krsna, they must have performed many pious activities.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bhagavata: Like Kaliya. So then if they have performed so many pious activities, then obviously they have done something very mischievous in order to take this demon’s body? There is some falldown?

Prabhupada: Yes. Without some mischievous activities… (end)