Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: (in car) So do these people know what is the science of God? Jayatirtha: No. But they pretend that they do. Prabhupada: Well, pretending will not do. You must explain what is God. “Something,” “perhaps,” this is not science. [break] Jayatirtha: …if no one else knows, they’re able to fool them. Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Brahmananda: Each man presents his own theory. Prabhupada: That is theosophy, that is not theology. Theosophy means a system of speculation, that’s all. And theology does not require. Biology. Logy means science. They say anthropology, but it is not logy; it is theory. “Maybe,” “200,000,000’s of years.” What is this? Logy does not mean that. Jayatirtha: Still, they’re awarding Ph.D.’s in theology. Prabhupada: Just like astrology. That is a science. Eh? What is that? Jayatirtha: But still they’re awarding Ph.D.’s in theology, even they don’t know anything about it. Prabhupada: You can do. Hiranda-pitha drumayate. When there is no tree, the small castor seed oil tree… It is not much. It becomes a very big tree. Hiranda-pitha drumayate. The castor seed plants, they are taken as big tree. [break] Actually, theology is Bhagavad-gita. [break] Jayatirtha: Oh, that’s nice. Very good. [break] Prabhupada: Suitable? Brahmananda: Yes. [break] Prabhupada: (walking) …means science of God. So what is that science of God? Who knows it? Jayadvaita: You do. Prabhupada: Yes, I know. (laughter) Bahulasva: Jaya! [break] Prabhupada: …of God means first of all we must know who is God. This is the first. Then, what is this material world and what is my relationship with this material world and God. This is science of God. [break] Bahulasva: …you wanted the colleges named the Vedic Theological College? Prabhupada: Yes. Hm. Don’t come very near. [break] …that the college teachers and students must be brahmana, not sudras. Sudras will not be able to understand the science of God. What was the… Now, Dr… What is his name? Bahulasva: Last night? Prabhupada: Yes. Bahulasva: Dr. Mize. Prabhupada: Dr. Mize? So what does he say? Bahulasva: He said that he could give up the greed, but the lust was a very hard one for him to give up. Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Dharmadhyaksa: He wanted to become more unselfish, but he didn’t know how he could give up lust. Prabhupada: No, that can be done. If you increase your Krsna consciousness, love for Krsna, then you will forget this lust. Dharmadyaksa: That’s what we told him, that he must chant. Prabhupada: That is the only. That is the only. There is no other second way. [break] …conquer over lust, one has to take shelter of Madana-mohana. Madana means lust, Cupid, and Krsna is Madana- mohana. He can enchant the Cupid also. [break] …Thakura, young man. At dead of night the prostitute came. How he restrained? That is… One who has realized Madana-mohana, for him these things are nothing, no enchantment. [break] Dharmadyaksa: …impressed with Your Divine Grace’s energy and ability to work so much. Prabhupada: Why you do not say, “This is spiritual energy”? Yes. [break] …got so many dogs nonsense. And it is solved. Just see. And he has brought dozens of… [break] Jayatirtha: …life will be empty. Prabhupada: Yes. Actually that is a fact. No family, no children, so they must have some. The dog is their children, family. That is the attraction for…, because mostly they do not have family. Jayatirtha: They kill the family before they’re born. Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Jayatirtha: And then, instead they get dogs. Prabhupada: There must be something to repose my love. So they have no family, no Krsna. So naturally keep dog. [break] …must be there, to love. That is my tendency, but if I have nothing, then I will have to catch the dog. What can be done? [break] …furnish this television. Dog and television and whiskey and cigarette. That’s all. (laughter) Is it not? [break] …in India these things are entering: dog, television. And cigarette, wine, has already entered. Bahulasva: This is the degradation. [break] Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Bahulasva: So much sex, everything you watch. Prabhupada: And not only that, horrible scene. Bahulasva: Yes. Prabhupada: Killing and like that. Dharmadyaksa: They sit hypnotized. They say we are becoming hypnotized by chanting, but actually they are hypnotized by this TV set. Prabhupada: No, no, that I have already explained. We must be hypnotized. If we do not become hypnotized by Krsna, then we must be hypnotized by this television and other. [break] …purnima? No. Full moon, last night? No. Harikesa: I think the full moon was Monday. Prabhupada: Monday? [break] …how many pages yesterday delivered? Nitai: I finished a hundred pages. Prabhupada: Just see. (laughs) Nitai: Today I will finish the rest of Chapter Thirty. Prabhupada: So what is decided? Brahmananda: That he will travel with Prabhupada? Prabhupada: That will be all right? Nitai: Yes, yes. Prabhupada: Then you can do that. They are composing hundred pages? Ramesvara: Daily? Prabhupada: Yes. Radha-vallabha: Not a hundred pages. A hundred verses, each person. Each composer, one hundred verses approximately. Prabhupada: Oh. And one verse means one page average? No. Radha-vallabha: Two verses per page. Ramesvara: Two or three verses per page. Radha-vallabha: Two. Jayatirtha: So between all the composers a hundred pages a day. Ramesvara: Oh, between all the composers, more than a hundred pages. Radha-vallabha: We are going fast enough so far to do the seventeen books. Prabhupada: That’s nice. Radha-vallabha: I think in one week we’ll be able to finish Madhya-lila, volume three, and Antya-lila, Chapter One. Prabhupada: Very good news. Radha-vallabha: I went to the press right after mangala aratrika, and one of the composers had already run out the door of the temple room, and she was composing already. Prabhupada: Oh. [break] Palika is also doing? Radha-vallabha: She’s going to school now. she’s learning how. She will start tomorrow, I think. Ramesvara: In a few days. Prabhupada: She is very expert. [break] Radha-vallabha: …all night long and they are not getting tired. Prabhupada: That’s nice. Spiritual energy does not get tired. That is spiritual. When we get tired, that is material. Spiritual means one would not feel tired. Anandambudhi-vardhanam. Vardhanam means increasing. [break] …has not come? Brahmananda: He left last night for Las Vegas. He will go to Denver. He will see you there. Prabhupada: Last night at two o’clock (chuckles) he took film. Brahmananda: Yadubara. Harikesa: You were translating, he was filming? [break] Prabhupada: …night I was working from half past ten. (laughs) Brahmananda: Then? Prabhupada: No sleep, that’s all. [break] …sleep, utmost, one hour or one and a half. Harikesa: Is it proper to say that your purports are getting better every day? Prabhupada: I do not know that. (laughs) You think so? Harikesa: Yes. [break] Prabhupada: …Dr. Kapoor has commented, “The purport is superb.” Brahmananda: Yes. Prabhupada: Yes, he has said that. [break] …from these waves how these birds catches… Radha-vallabha: Fish. Prabhupada: Fish. You cannot fish, but they know how to fish. They can see and immediately catch, while in the water. [break] Jayatirtha: …given them the facility that they need for survival. Prabhupada: Yes. That is the… Jivo jivasya jivanam. They do not know industry. (laughs) So they have to catch their eatables from the nature. Bahulasva: The scientists say that everything has developed due to the need for biological survival. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …is of the body, not of the soul. That they do not know. [break] Radha-vallabha: …because a certain animal needs a certain type of facility like long claws or big teeth or a certain amount of legs, they say that automatically in the course of time these things develop. Prabhupada: Yes. That we know also. Radha-vallabha: They don’t say that it has anything to do with God. They simply say… Prabhupada: That is their nonsense rascaldom. Who is arranging this? You cannot do it. You cannot do it. So somebody has arranged like that. It is going on. Somebody has done. You have not done; neither you have power to do it. So that somebody is God. Radha-vallabha: The same scientist—his name was Lamarck—he said that the giraffes have long necks because after many, many years of trying to eat leaves from trees their necks got longer. Prabhupada: What is that? Brahmananda: He says the giraffes with the long necks in Africa their necks… Formerly their necks were very short, but they were always trying to eat the leaves on the top of the tree, so by doing this for many, many years their necks became longer, longer, longer. Prabhupada: That is Darwin’s theory. Jayatirtha: Yes. [break] Gradually, they’ll become pigeons. Because they want sex life so much, so more and more they’ll develop the bodies of pigeons. Prabhupada: Now the thing is who are they? That they do not know. They say “They are,” but who are “they?” That they do not know. [break] Bahulasva: In Krsna Book and Bhagavad-gita both, you explain there are five states of consciousness, beginning with annamaya, manomaya, pranamaya, like that. Do these states of consciousness manifest in different species of life? Prabhupada: Yes. Bahulasva: Yes? So like plants for example, they would be in the annamaya state of consciousness? Prabhupada: Yes. Bahulasva: Simply eating? Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …in Vrndavana, as they will be advertised, many people will come, more people, because they will come rather surprisingly, “How the Europeans, Americans have become devotee and they have their temple?” That will be attractive for them. [break] Brahmananda: Should they advertise like that? Prabhupada: That is automatically being advertised. Just like our Mayapur mandir is known as “Sahib mandir.” (laughs) Sahib means European. [break] It is said that… Where is Nitai? Jayatirtha: Nitai? Prabhupada: That visitors coming in full bus? Nitai: Yes, yes. Yes, I have seen in the evenings many buses will come and park there. Everyone will get out and go see the Deities, take prasadam, take books. Prabhupada: So gradually it is becoming… Jayadvaita: The buses come from town or from Delhi? Nitai: No, from Vrndavana. Tour… many pilgrims come, groups of pilgrims who are staying some place in Vrndavana, and then in the evening they will all get in their bus and come out and see our temple. Radha-vallabha: Pilgrims come from all over India? Prabhupada: And when they will go back to their villages, they will advertise, that “There is a European temple now in Vrndavana.” And they will come. (laughs) And even the inhabitants of Vrndavana, they are saying that is the best temple in… Is it not? Nitai: Yes. Prabhupada: That is… But actually that is the fact. That is the fact. Our temple is the best. (chuckles) Dharmadyaksa: Jaya! Prabhupada: Now you make a best college. Yes. Vedic Theological College, affiliated to the California University. Then it will be successful. Radha-vallabha: People are always anxious to see what we are going to do next. Prabhupada: Yes. Radha-vallabha: Even in Radha-Ramana temple they were asking when is our Vrndavana temple going to be opened. Prabhupada: Oh. [break] Radha-vallabha: …police are also becoming very favorable. Even when they arrest us, actually they want to hear Krsna consciousness. (Prabhupada laughs) When they arrest us, while they are writing the tickets, we read to them out of the books. Prabhupada: Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He was child, His mother’s friend would tease Him so that He may cry, and then they will chant Hare Krsna, and He will stop. To see that by chanting Hare Krsna He is pacified to see this fun, they would tease Him first of all, and He would cry, and then they will chant Hare Krsna, and they will… [break] Radha-vallabha: In New Jersey one time we were driving very fast to try and meet you at the airport, and a police officer pulled us over, and he was very angry. We were driving very fast. And he said… Prabhupada: No, you should not drive fast. (devotees laugh) No, no, this is not good. Radha-vallabha: We had to pick you up at the airport, Prabhupada, and we were late. Prabhupada: That’s all right, but fast, drive very fast, is risky. Radha-vallabha: So this police officer he pulled us over. He was very angry. He said, “Let us see your license and registration.” We gave it to him, and it said International Society for Krsna Consciousness on the registration. He said, “Oh, Krsna.” And he asked us some questions about the philosophy, and he listened very carefully, and then he said, “I cannot give people like you a ticket.” [break] Prabhupada: …they are pleased, but don’t take undue advantage. Yes. [break] …remain friends. That is wanted. [break] Radha-vallabha: When they arrest us we read to them out of Krsna Book, the pastimes, and they listen the whole time. And sometimes for an hour and a half, two hours, they’ll listen to us while we preach. Then they let us go. [break] Sometimes we are about to make an announcement to collect donations and the police officer will be standing there like this, like he doesn’t want us to do it. And we go up to him and say, “If you don’t look, we’ll go ahead and collect and pass out magazines,” (Prabhupada laughs) He will say, “All right.” Prabhupada: “Please close your eyes. (everyone laughs) Let us do something.” [break] Jayatirtha: (back in car) …register as a travel agent so that we can get discount on all of our tickets, airplane tickets, and then also we can work on arranging that, that these tours would stop there. Prabhupada: The Cox and Kings, they inquired from me, “Whether you can take charge?” Guru dasa can take charge of this. He is well acquainted with the several places. And he is loitering here and there doing as he likes. [break] Harikesa: …had the plan to perhaps get one bus and leave it at our place and then do tours on our own. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …airport by this way? No, the other way. Jayatirtha: You can go this way. We usually go on the freeway. You can go straight up this street. [break] Prabhupada: …freely. Brahmananda: Yes. Eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. Jayatirtha: Everyone is afraid now, of taking it. The crime rate has become very high. Prabhupada: Black and white? Jayatirtha: Yes. Prabhupada: Negroes are envious of the white men. Jayatirtha: Yes. In Detroit every year one out of every five hundred people is murdered. Prabhupada: White man? Jayatirtha: White men and black men. Usually black men are murdering. Prabhupada: What is the reason? The same feeling as in India, Hindu Muslim. But it is not so strong. Brahmananda: No. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 26, 1975, Los Angeles