Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: (in car:) …Denver. And how we are getting response from the public? Satsvarupa: They get nice attendance on Sunday. Many people come. Prabhupada: There is good hope. Satsvarupa: Oh, yes. Good book distribution here too. Prabhupada: That is the most successful. Wherever book distribution is going on nicely, that is successful, because people are in gross ignorance. They are taking this temporary life as everything. Very horrible condition. We are trying to explain what is the actual life. Satsvarupa: Here in Denver they have to compete with many bogus groups. This is the world headquarters of Guru Maharajaji and many other… They like to come here, the mountains. So they’re always making our propaganda against them. Prabhupada: So make propaganda against them vigorously. We have got sound footing. What these nonsense have? Tell them all nonsense, bogus. This rascal Guru Maharajaji is God, and the other rascals are accepting him God? This rascaldom is going on in such civilized city? He is God? Satsvarupa: Well, Kurusrestha, the president, says that the local people are very much disgusted with him. They don’t like him. Prabhupada: Challenge that “I shall kick on the fact of this rascal, and if he is God, let him punish me. If he is God, let him punish me. I am prepared. So come on in the public. I kick on his face, and let him do whatever he likes. I am prepared. If it is God, let me (him) kill me by his mantra or by his will. Then I will accept him.” This is challenge, that “I shall kick on his face in public, and if he is God, let him punish me.” And you are so fool that you are accepting this rascal as God? You belong to American nation, advanced. You have become so rascal? Challenge like that. He has come to cheat you, and why you are so befooled that you are being cheated? He is convicted in the court that he is a, what is called, deceiver. Yes. The court judgment is there. He is a deceiver. Brahmananda: There’s now a warrant for his arrest. Prabhupada: Now there’s a warrant for his arrest. What he can do? And he is God? God is so cheap and you have accepted him as God? What is this nonsense? But we give you credit, that you are searching after God. That is… So try to understand by education. What is this nonsense, blindly accepting some rascal as God? Everyone knows God is great. Is he great? Then why he is punished by the court? This is the park? Satsvarupa: Yes. Prabhupada: And very nice park. And not far away. [break] …interested with this natural history. That means Darwin’s theory. That’s all. Their whole civilization is based on this Darwin’s theory. How long you shall keep history? Do you know what is the history of the sun, when it was created, when it came into appearance? Can Darwin give us the history of the sun, of the moon, of the sky? Where is the history? There is history, but where is your history? You simply imagine, “There was a chunk, and it became manifested as the sun, moon, and I am also this…” What is this? How this cosmic manifestation came into existence—your explanation is: “There was a chunk.” And what other nonsense? [break] walking: …house is on the water? No. [break] …coughing. Catch cold? Harikesa: Hawaii was not a very healthy place for me. Hawaii. Prabhupada: Oh. Harikesa: All the rain and the sun and the rain. Prabhupada: [break] …you will find today’s text. It has given very nice example, that the prostitute changes her dress to attract people. Similarly, we are changing our dress for sense gratification. Yes. [break] Nature, material nature, has been described as the prostitute, and we are trying to become the husband of the prostitute. Has anyone become happy by becoming husband of a prostitute? (laughs) [break] …Pandita has said, dusta bharya satham mitram bhrtyas cottara-dayakah, sasarpe ca grhe vaso mrtyur eva na samsayah. A prostitute wife, dusta bharya, and dupli…, what is called, duplicity? One who speaks something and heard something? What is called? Hypocrite. Brahmananda: Hypocrisy. Prabhupada: “Hypocrite friend and prostitute wife and servant replying, dusta bharya satham mitram bhrtyas cottara…, and sasarpe ca grhe vaso, and living in a room where there is a snake, mrtyur eva na samsayah, he will die.” There is no doubt about it. His life will be spoiled. This is the Canakya Pandita’s. [break] …name of this park? Nitai: This is City Park. They call it City Park. [break] Prabhupada: …good because it is Indian climate. Is it not? Brahmananda: Yes. Prabhupada: What do you think? Satsvarupa: It is good…? Prabhupada: Because it has got Indian climate. Satsvarupa: Oh, yes. There’s a very high altitude. It’s a mile high. They call it “the mile high city.” Because it’s five thousand feet above sea level. It’s supposed to be good for health. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …in India up country. Up country, in northern India. It is very good health, Punjab, because up country. [break] …place Canakya Pandita says, mata yasya grhe nasti bharya capriya-vadini aranyam tena gantavyam yatharanyam tatha grham A man who hasn’t affectionate mother at home, neither very good wife, so he should immediately give up that home and go to the forest because for him it is as good, either you remain in forest or in home.” (chuckles) How intelligent. mata yasya grhe nasti bharya capriya-vadini aranyam tena gantavyam yatharanyam tatha grham [break] …formerly at least one expected love from mother. That is also being finished. This is the advancement of civilization. Even mother is also not reliable, what to speak of others. A small child sleeps very sound on the lap of the mother because it thinks, “Now I am safe.” And the mother is killing child. This is the advancement of civilization. [break] …has been many cases, a polluted woman has killed his child on account of paramour. In India there have been many cases, killed a grown up child. In recently one of our Godbrother’s wife. You know that? Brahmananda: She killed her son. Prabhupada: Yes. On account of paramour. Harikesa: On account of what? Prabhupada: Paramour. Harikesa: Paramour? Prabhupada: Yes. Recently, within ten years. And he committed suicide, this my God brother. Everyone is, every father is affectionate to the son, and when he saw, “This is my wife, and she has killed my son.” And the son saw the paramours were coming, and he says, “Who are these men, coming?” You see? This question is also dangerous. Harikesa: There was a big scandal in Gujarat. Prabhupada: That boy who was with me… What is his name? In the beginning he went with me, San Francisco? Satsvarupa: Mukunda? Prabhupada: No, no. Rancor. Brahmananda: Oh, yes. Prabhupada: He told the history of his mother. Yes. Brahmananda: [break] …is also a rogue. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. He was canvassing, “What is this nonsense, ‘No women, no illicit sex’ ”? He gave car.” (?) Brahmananda: He was supplying women to his son. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. “What is the wrong?” He was coming to our Second Avenue to call his son, “Why you are in this association? Come.” At last, we could not save him. The father took away. [break] …museum? Kurusretha: Some kind of boat house or… Devotee (1): It used to be a musical thing. They’d put pontoons out in the lake. Kurusrestha: They would have concerts in there in the past. Prabhupada: [break] No mango here? Kurusrestha: No mango. Prabhupada: What is this? They do not… Kurusrestha: Only apples and peaches will grow in this state. Prabhupada: Why not mango? The climate is good for mango. Kurusrestha: In the winter it’s very cold. Prabhupada: Oh. Very cold? Kurusrestha: Very cold. Prabhupada: Oh, what is the temperature? Kurusrestha: Zero to twenty, thirty. Prabhupada: Oh. Below zero? Kurusrestha: Sometimes, at night. Ten below. Prabhupada: Like New York? No, New York was never below zero. [break] Winter, how many months is continuing? Kurusrestha: Four or five months. Prabhupada: Four, five months. Always snow? Kurusrestha: Sometimes snow. Prabhupada: So why the temperature is so low unless there is snow? Brahmananda: The mountains, in the mountains there is snow? Kurusrestha: At like eleven, twelve thousand. This is five thousand feet altitude, here in Denver. Prabhupada: Snow falls above ten thousand feet? Kurusrestha: Oh, yes. Prabhupada: [break] …Kashmir, that is sixteen thousand feet. [break] …do not sink? Guarantee? (laughter) [break] …glass building. Kurusrestha: That’s a hospital, Srila Prabhupada. The temple is in a hospital zone. It keeps the price of the land very high. Prabhupada: Oh. [break] Brahmananda: …hospital is more expensive? Kurusrestha: All, in this area, doctors and high class, so-called high class men live. Prabhupada: The real doctor is he who can cure material disease. What do you think? Satsvarupa: You said Murari Gupta was a doctor in both ways. Prabhupada: Yes. Satsvarupa: [break] Prabhupada, yesterday one of the library parties visited this Maharishi University which is an estate nearby. And it’s very impressive they said. It’s a big university, many buildings. But in the library they had no books of Vedic literature, so they took our books. And they said they are very glad to get them. They had nothing. Buildings, but no books. Prabhupada: University without books. (laughter) Very good university. Anyway, if they are taking our books, that is good. What he will have? He is also another bogus man. But you people want to be cheated by this yoga, meditation. Therefore he has been able to get some facility. Only a selected group has come to me. Otherwise, they do not understand this Krsna consciousness movement. Kurusrestha: Those people won’t listen to any philosophy. Prabhupada: Therefore they have been cheated by this man. Kurusrestha: Even we give good explanations which they can’t… Prabhupada: They cannot understand the simple thing that the child has got his future, the boy has got his future, and the young man has got his future, so why not the old man? Such a dull head they have. You see. If the child says, “No, no, I have no future. I shall remain always child,” is it possible? And similarly, if you say. “No, no. After old body, everything is finished. Now it is dead.” So they are such dull-headed men. The simple truth cannot understand. Dehino ’smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam… [Bg. 2.13] This is the position. The example is so nice and so simple and they cannot understand. What is their brain? Animal brain. Dog race, horse race—they want this, rat race. That’s all. Their civilization is race, dog race, horse race, rat race. That’s all. They do not know anything. And I am talking this simple thing because you are in confidence. Otherwise I would not have sa… Only rascals, animals, the western people. So now it is motor race, from dog race to motor race. And does it mean if the dog is running on, race, on a car, does it mean he is not a dog? The same race, either by jumping on the land or in the motor car. The race is the same, the dog is the same. So when you have come, just now? Brahmatirtha: No, I have been here. I was walking behind. Prabhupada: So it is a civilization of dog race. The man does not know, “By riding on a car, racing, is there any value if I do not know what is the meaning of my life?” Hmm? So this is going on. Big, big road for dog racing—that is civilization. [break] The rascal yogis, they say that “By this transcendental meditation you will keep your dog race very nice.” They are attracted, “Oh, very nice. It is very nice.” That’s all. Mudha nabhijanati mam ebhyah param avyayam. All mu…, rascals. Only hope is that you distribute books, as much as possible, whole Europe, whole America. If they come to some day, they will realize what is this value. [break] …day they will realize that what valuable books we have left for the study of the whole world. That will come. [break] …London city there is a big hall for dog race, you know that? Many people are coming to see the dog race. You have been in London? Brahmatirtha: No, but I know that… Yeah, I was in London, but I didn’t see the dog race, but they have that in America also. Brahmananda: In this country they have also. Brahmatirtha: In Florida it’s very popular. Kurusrestha: Denver it’s very popular. Prabhupada: For dog race? (laughter) Kurusrestha: We’ve gone there for distributing books before. Prabhupada: Anyway… And Australia also, Sydney, oh, they are very fond of dog race. Every man is coming with big big, dog for racing purpose. Satsvarupa: It’s good gambling. Prabhupada: And Europe, the most aristocratic person means he is keeping so many horses and so many dogs. That is aristocracy. They will ride on the horse, and taking their dogs, they will go to the forest and kill some innocent birds. That is their heroic activities. We went to see one palace in France. Satsvarupa: Yes, I remember. In the hall they had all pictures of those activities. Prabhupada: Yes. Satsvarupa: Killing birds and fox. Prabhupada: That is aristocracy. [break] …cannon, there was fight? Or this man is very famous hero? There was statue of Napoleon also in Paris. And they identify Napoleon and France, the same. But France is there; there is no Napoleon. (laughter) Napoleon finished, Hitler finished, Gandhi finished. [break] Brahmananda: That statue where Napoleon is, formerly there was another statue there of Louis XIV. So Napoleon, he pulled down that other statue and put his statue there. Prabhupada: And somebody will come… Just like in Karachi they have pulled down Gandhi’s statue, and I do not know what statue they placed. [break] Kurusrestha: …worship these statues by the stool of crows. They worship these statues by the stool of crows. Prabhupada: (chuckles) Yes. No, if you want to worship, then worship as we do. We have Krsna’s Deity worshiping. But what is this, keep a statue on open place and the crows pass stool on the head? (laughter) What is this respectful? In the Vedic civilization does not required. They worship deity but not like that, exposed to the crows for passing stool. That is idolism, and this is good. Brahmananda: The Christians do this. They have Jesus Christ outside,… Prabhupada: In the open. Brahmananda: …exposed. And they accuse us of idol worship. Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krsna. Very dangerous place. Padam padam yad vipadam. This is a place—in every step there is danger. We are walking in a very nice park. At any moment there may be revolution, whole thing is changed. Whole thing is, becomes fire. Just like, in India now it has become. So we should remember that here in this material world, padam padam yad vipadam, every step there is danger. Give up this place. That is the real intelligence. And the education misleading them, maya-sukhaya, making gorgeous plans for temporary happiness. That’s all. If in the slaughterhouse the animals are kept very comfortably, so what is the meaning of it? Brahmananda: They’ll still be slaughtered. Prabhupada: Eh? What is the meaning? Satsvarupa: No meaning. Prabhupada: It is sure that all the animals will be slaughtered, and if the arrangement is “All right, before being slaughtered, let them live very comfortably,” is that very good intelligence? The intelligence is “Why we shall be slaughtered?” That is intelligence. What is the meaning of slaughterhouse? Who can explain? Brahmananda: Everyone dies there. Prabhupada: No, no. Dies there… A slaughterhouse, what is the meaning of this particular word? Devotee (2): They’re killed brutally. Harikesa: A specific place where all the animals are killed. Prabhupada: Yes. All of a sudden many animals are killed at once. So this is also slaughterhouse. When there is need, many animals will be brought into war and killed. It is slaughterhouse. And the foolish animals, they are thinking, “We are now very comfortably situated.” He forgets that “I am going to be slaughtered.” Mrtyu-samsara-sagarat, the ocean of slaughterhouse. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, mrtyu-samsara-sagarat. A slaughterhouse, being accepted as… It is called mrtyu-loka. Mrtyu-loka. So still, they are taking it as very comfortable place. This is their intelligence: a slaughterhouse is being accepted as very nice place. What is the answer of these animals who are going to be slaughtered? Devotee (3): Animals don’t have an answer. Kasirama: Just a few days ago there was a plane crash and many people died, but they were sitting very comfortably in their chairs thinking, “It is so nice,” but then it was all over, finished. And in the airport I was distributing books, and I was telling them, “You could die at any moment,” but they still are thinking, “I am going to enjoy.” They are not caring. Prabhupada: Where this air crash took place? Kasirama: In New York. And it landed on the freeway. Satsvarupa: A lightening bolt hit the plane. Prabhupada: Lighting…? Harikesa: Thunderbolt. Prabhupada: Oh. Just see, slaughterhouse. Satsvarupa: You said in your lecture the other day in Los Angeles that when that happens that many people are killed in one place, it means that it’s arranged by the Supreme. Just like Kuruksetra. Prabhupada: Yes. That is stated by Krsna, that “You are thinking very patriotically that you will not kill. But it is already settled. They must be killed here. I have brought them. You kill or not kill, they will be killed. That is My plan. If you want, you take credit that you have killed.” This is same arrangement. It is prearranged. War means it is bringing all the animals together and kill them, finish. And that is happening every few years after years. The Napoleon is coming for killing, and Hitler is coming for killing. Sometimes Nelson is coming for killing. But here in India the God comes for killing. Lord Ramacandra came for killing the Ravanas and Krsna came for killing the Kauravas. Satsvarupa: Sometimes in those mass killings pious men are killed also. At Kuruksetra many pious men were killed? Prabhupada: Well, when there is killing, it is not that the pious men… But mostly they were saved. The Pandavas were saved. The five brothers, they remained. Now the moon is sour. Grapes are sour? (laughter) The jackal jumped over to catch some grapes, and when he fell, “Eh, what is the use of grapes? It is sour.” The jackal said. So this is… Now they say there is, that is not good for him. “Let us go to Venus. (laughter) Moon is sour.” And why you spent so much money? [break] …stone man has come. That is the museum. Brahmananda: Stone? Prabhupada: How from stone… Kurusrestha: Anthropologists. Prabhupada: Modern stone does not produce. They have become modernized? (laughter) [break] Kurusrestha: In Dvaraka, when Krsna was here, they would have such parks? Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Kurusrestha: Nice walkways? Prabhupada: Mmm. Better than this. Kurusrestha: Mangoes growing? Prabhupada: Oh yes. In a time the swan gives birth, dozen children, and there is no overpopulation. And men are killing so many children, and still, they say overpopulation? Why overpopulation? In the animal society, bird society, they do not say it is overpopulated, neither they kill. Rather, those who are bird eaters, they will be glad, overpopulation. “We shall be able to eat them.” You see. How many there are? Brahmananda: Nine. Prabhupada: The mother is not concerned how to feed them. [break] …safe under the protection… They are learning from the mother how to pick up food. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 28, 1975, Denver