Room Conversation Hari-sauri: The whole country could be like this if everybody was Krsna conscious. Prabhupada: Very peacefully you can live. In the city you go, thousands of cars are running—ror-ror-ror-ror-ror-ror-ror. What is called? Flyway, expressway, downway, every ten yards stop for the light. (laughter) How artificial life. And with all these things, if people would have been happy, all right. But they’re not happy, in spite of all this advancement. Hari-sauri: Yes. Simply increasing their miseries. Prabhupada: That’s all. Problems. Hari-sauri: The bigger the buildings, the more anxiety they’re in. Prabhupada: Not only many cars, they construct new roads, new… Increasing business, in the hope of happiness. But there is no happiness. Hari-sauri: Happiness is the last consideration. Prabhupada: They are thinking that “In this way we shall be happy.” Hari-sauri: Get more money. Prabhupada: First of all, paved way, then flyway, then another flyway, then another flyway, in this way. Bahir-artha-maninah. Hari-sauri: They’re always striving for happiness, that’s all. They never achieve it, they never get there. Prabhupada: No. That is called maya. Just like the animal is running after the mirage, water, but there is no water. Hari-sauri: He simply runs until he dies. Prabhupada: That’s all. This is going on. Hari-sauri: Dogs on four wheels. (laughs) It was so nice sitting underneath the tree there, chanting. I was thinking, this is what we could do forever, twenty-four hours. No need to do anything else. Prabhupada: Yes. (pause) Prospective place, this. Very future prospect. Hari-sauri: Oh, yes. We’re buying these big properties now, we don’t have so many devotees, but we know just even in five years they’re going to be packed. Prabhupada: Hm? Hari-sauri: Maybe now we don’t have so many devotees for all these big places we’re buying, but even just in five years or ten years they’ll be full. We’ll have to expand more and more. Your idea for fifty percent for books, fifty percent for buildings is very wonderful. I remember in Caitanya-caritamrta you said that the book distribution and the establishment of temples should go parallel lines, side by side. Prabhupada: Going on. Up to date, to my satisfaction, it is going on. Hari-sauri: If you’re satisfied, then we know it’s going to be successful. Prabhupada: But they fight amongst themselves, the GBCs. Hari-sauri: Hm, that’s the problem. Prabhupada: I did not see Harikesa. Hari-sauri: He was there. Prabhupada: Oh, he was there? Hari-sauri: Yes. He’s been feeling a bit ill today. Prabhupada: This is thyme herbs? No. This is the seed. Hari-sauri: Oh, them. They grow it in the garden. The first, what you got, that was grown here. Those twigs? They were grown here in the garden. Would you like anything tonight? A piece of chavana-prash? (Harikesa comes in) Prabhupada: What is that? Harikesa: This boy brought this. I wanted to just ask you if this is any good or not. This is nutmeg oil. Hari-sauri: This is the oil I was telling you about. Harikesa: And this is Ax Brand Universal Oil, supposed to be for massages or something. Prabhupada: Chinese? Harikesa: (indistinct) This is Chinese. Hari-sauri: It’s got different…, says menthol crystal, peppermint oil, eucalyptol oil, menthol salicilate, oil of lavender, chloroform BP, camphor powder, and white oil. Prabhupada: What is for? Harikesa: Supposed to be for massaging. Hari-sauri: It’s supposed to help the muscles. Prabhupada: And what is this? Hari-sauri: Nutmeg oil. This is the one I was telling you about. Prabhupada: They’re all selling all this? Hari-sauri: No, this is not ours. Harikesa: Radhe-Syama dasa brought this. Hari-sauri: It was brought by one of the devotees from—Thailand, was is? Harikesa: He was in Kuala-Lumpur. Hari-sauri: He says he bought it from a Buddhist temple, big Buddhist temple. Prabhupada: Kuala-Lumpur? There is a big Buddhist temple I know, I went there. Harikesa: He said in a letter, he just wrote a letter to you that… You laid a cornerstone in some temple? About three, four years ago? Prabhupada: Kuala-Lumpur? Yes. Harikesa: It’s finished. It cost a million dollars. And he says this man wants to give it to us. Prabhupada: Oh, something, that gentleman… Harikesa: It’s a rather nice letter. Prabhupada: Written by him? Harikesa: No, this boy who was there. I’ll bring him tomorrow. Prabhupada: So we can take it. Yes. This is nice idea. He has spent millions of dollars? Harikesa: One million on the temple. Prabhupada: Oh? How he got the money? Harikesa: I don’t know. Prabhupada: Maybe he was rich man. Hari-sauri: This was made in Penang. Prabhupada: Penang also I visited. I stayed with one Indian gentleman. His wife made very nice kacuri. Hari-sauri: It doesn’t matter wherever you go around the world… Prabhupada: They asked, “What you want to eat?” “If you can, you make first-class kacuri.” That is from my childhood. My friends also did it. They’d make the first-class kacuris in my youthhood. I am fond of kacuri. Kacuri is made first class in Mathura. Agra and Mathura. Very, very nice. The kacuri is being made, hundreds of customers waiting. At shops, there was many shops, waiting for purchasing. And as soon as it comes out of the pan, immediately sold. There is no question of waiting. They make spice nicest. That is India’s craftsmanship. Nobody will starve. If you have no business, you prepare something palatable, and people will purchase, all over India. Hari-sauri: There’s so many people on the railway station selling. Prabhupada: There’s no question of starvation for want of money. Anywhere sit down and do something palatable, and people will purchase. So your livelihood will go on. Pakora, kacuri, jalebi, anything. You make some palatable, people are fond of eating some palatable things. That is their hobby. In Allahabad, there was a brahmana. I had my business, and he was neighborhood, he was living. So in the morning, the husband and wife would go to take bath in the Ganges. They would very nicely take bath, and while coming they will purchase some ingredients and then come home. The husband will perform puja, etc., and the wife will prepare many nice preparations—bada, pakori, puskar (?), this, that. Then he’ll take his meals, rest awhile, and in the evening he will sit down, he was sitting just in front of my shop, about four or five o’clock. All the preparations his wife had made whole day, and the small shop. And the university students will come up to night, ten o’clock, he’ll finish. Nothing will remain. Everything will be… And he’ll make at least ten rupees profit, minimum. In those days, 1925, in those days ten rupees means nowadays at least fifty rupees. So, and living very happy. Living humbly as a brahmana, he was having his puja, going to the Ganges, taking bath, husband and wife, in the morning, and the wife’s business is to prepare and his business was to sell. So they’ll make at least ten, fifteen rupees profit daily, very prosperous. Living peacefully, husband and wife. There are many such families. The… If wife is very good, then his home is very nice. They cannot be unhappy at any circumstances. Dampatyoh kalaho nasti tatra srih svayam agatah.(?) Canakya Pandita. When there is full agreement between husband and wife, cooperation, then the goddess of fortune comes there without application. You haven’t got to ask goddess of fortune, “Please come and help me.” She’ll come automatically. This is Canakya Pandita’s instruction. murkha yatrana pujyante dhanyam yatra susancitam dampatyoh kalaho nasti tatra srih svayam agatah There are so many things in India culture for becoming happy and advancing towards the goal of life. Now I am appreciating for more and more, seeing the whole world, what is India’s culture. Formerly I was thinking, “It is custom. To become faithful wife, this is custom.” But when I come outside I see what is wife and what is faithful wife. In India, still, in the village, even there is fight between husband, wife, the wife is faithful. Still. Completely dependent on husband. The husband also, in spite of fighting, is always careful that the wife does not get any inconvenience. It was the culture, now it is breaking. (about door or window) You can close that. In material world, for peaceful life, there must be peaceful condition between the husband and wife. Everyone requires wife, everyone requires husband. Sex is necessary, so make the condition of sex very peaceful. Why disturbed? Make the condition that there will be… It is necessary. As eating is necessary, sleeping is necessary, for ordinary man, so sex is also necessary. So make a condition so that nothing will be disturbed, and in undisturbed condition of mind execute spiritual advancement. This is Indian civilization. Aim is spiritual advancement. And to make condition favorable, there are so many things. So unless we get favorable condition… Here in the Western countries there is no favorable condition. First of all, they have no idea of spiritual life, the goal of life, neither there is favorable condition. And gradually things are becoming degrading. On my last tour in Chicago I saw. In three weeks she has twice divorced, one lady’s advertised. You remember it? Hari-sauri: I wasn’t there that time. Harikesa: I remember. Prabhupada: You were there, yes. Is that life? How they can be happy if this is the condition? So what further advancement? Harikesa: In reference? Hari-sauri: Tehran. Harikesa: Oh, your tickets are definitely booked on the nonstop flight. I finally managed to… Prabhupada: Take the ticket. Oh, we have got ticket. Harikesa: The reservation, I mean… And if for some reason we can’t get on that flight, we have reservations on another flight that arrives four hours later. Prabhupada: That doesn’t matter. Harikesa: It changes, it leaves earlier and gets there four hours later. Was lunch all right today? Lunch? Your lunch was all right? Hari-sauri: Was lunch all right? Prasadam? Prabhupada: The potatoes and karela should be fried. Harikesa: Yes, it was fried. I fried it with the cover on. Prabhupada: No, not in the beginning. Fry it, and if it is still hard, then… Harikesa: Then put the cover on. Oh, all right. Prabhupada: Yes, not from beginning. Harikesa: Oh, I made a mistake. Prabhupada: If you cover from the beginning, the water which is already there will be coming out. And the idea is the water should be taken away. Then it will be tasteful. Still, it was good. Harikesa: Should I cook if I still have this fever tomorrow? Prabhupada: Eh? Harikesa: Right now I have a fever. Prabhupada: No, don’t cook. Harikesa: So if I have a fever I shouldn’t cook for you? It’s unhealthy for you? It won’t bother me so much, but if it’s unhealthy for you… Prabhupada: No, no, I have no objection. But if you have got fever, why shall you? There are so many others. They can… Harikesa: I cannot tolerate being sick any more. Prabhupada: The body means sickness. The body itself is sickness. Harikesa: In illusion I think I come back here, I get healthy. In illusion I think if I leave India and come here I will get healthy. But I come here I also get sick. I go there I also get sick. (laughs) You seem to be much better now. Prabhupada: Yes, little better. Hare Krsna. [break] …thinking of how to utilize the whole land. The situation is very good, good prospect. I want that self-independent here, as far as possible. But you have got enough materials. With woods you can make cottages. Then land becomes clear, then utilize it. Bhagavan: Cows. Prabhupada: Cows, so many things. Free from all anxieties, chant Hare Krsna. Life is meant for simply chanting. This should be the motto. But because we have got this body, we have to maintain it. That much. Otherwise, we have no ambition to become a very big man in this material world, enjoy it. This is all false, useless. He’ll become a big man, and one day death comes and kicks him out. So these are all false attempts. It has no meaning. The meaningful life is, so long we live, become fully Krsna conscious. And tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. That is wanted. Give facility to the people. Here is very nice arrangement. Now make plan how to utilize. You have got enough land. You can utilize for supplying the necessities of life. Bhagavan: It’s a very wonderful place. Prabhupada: Yes. We can get many wonderful places like this all over the world. But they have not been taught how to utilize them. Bhagavan: But I think in one year they have done nicely. They have built a greenhouse and planted all the cultivated land. Prabhupada: No, they are working hard, there is no doubt about it. Bhagavan: And the temple also, Deity worship and everything. Prabhupada: Oh, yes, things are going nicely. There is no doubt about it. And children should be given that much education—to read and write and chant Hare Krsna. Bhagavan: The devotees are talking how nice it was to sit outside with you and chant and hear you speak tonight. I remember the last time I was in New Vrindaban many years ago, when I first became a devotee. You were sitting outside, giving some lecture, series of lectures on Vyasadeva and the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Prabhupada: Yes. No, I like this life, from my very childhood. And on our roof there were trees, plants, flower plants, and… My grandmother, she… We, all grandchildren used to water it. So downstairs we took water in, what is called? A jhari? Bhagavan: Sprinkling can? Prabhupada: Ah, sprinkling can. We all grandchildren, we were about half a dozen. So we took very much pleasure in watering. But my special tendency was that along with the plants, I, with the bushes, I’ll sit down. My tendency. And I’ll sit down for hours. And like that. In my childhood. In my maternal uncle’s house also, I was doing that. As soon as I find some bush, I make a sitting place. Bhagavan: It’s hard to see how people could not be attracted to such a nice life. Prabhupada: Yes. Bhagavan: But more and more people are coming. Prabhupada: They’ll come. First of all, this life is not for every man. Most fortunate man. Kona bhagyavan jiva. Kona, kona means someone; it is not for everyone. Kona bhagyavan. Find out this verse, Nineteenth Chapter, Madhya-lila. ei rupe brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva guru-krsna-krpa paya bhakti-lata-bija [Cc. Madhya 19.151] (devotees look for verse) Brahmanda bhramite? Guru-krsna. Find out. Guru-krsna-krpa paya. Hari-sauri: Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija. Prabhupada: Oh. Hari-sauri: brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija “According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Krsna. By the mercy of both Krsna and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.” Prabhupada: This is not for everyone. Hari-sauri: There’s a nice purport. Should I read the purport? “When we speak of brahmanda, we refer to the whole universe, or to the cluster of many millions of universes. In all universes, there are innumerable planets and innumerable living entities upon those planets in the air and in the water. There are millions and trillions of living entities everywhere, and they are engaged by maya in suffering and enjoying the results of their fruitive activity life after life. This is the position of the materially conditioned living entities. Out of many of these living entities, if one is actually fortunate (bhagyavan), he comes in contact with a bona fide spiritual master by Krsna’s mercy. Krsna is situated in everyone’s heart, and if one desires something, Krsna fulfills one’s desire. If the living entity by chance or fortune comes in contact with the Krsna consciousness movement and wishes to associate with that movement, Krsna, who is situated in everyone’s heart, gives him the chance to meet a bona fide spiritual master. This is called guru-krsna-prasada. Krsna is prepared to bestow His mercy upon all living entities, and as soon as a living entity desires the Lord’s mercy, the Lord immediately gives him an opportunity to meet a bona fide spiritual master. Such a person is fortified by both Krsna and the spiritual master. He is helped from within by Krsna and from without by the spiritual master. Both are prepared to help the sincere living being become free from this material bondage. How one can become this fortunate can be seen in the life of Srila Narada Muni. In his previous life he was born of a maidservant. Although he was not born into a prestigious position, his mother was fortunately engaged in rendering service to some Vaisnavas. When these Vaisnavas were resting during the caturmasya period, the boy Narada took the opportunity to engage in their service. Taking compassion upon the boy, the Vaisnavas offered him the remnants of their food. By serving them and obeying their orders, the boy became the object of sympathy for the Vaisnavas, and, by the Vaisnavas’ unknown mercy, he gradually became a pure devotee. In the next life he was Narada Muni, the most exalted of Vaisnavas and the most important guru and acarya of Vaisnavas. Following in the footsteps of Narada Muni, the Krsna consciousness movement is rendering service to humanity by giving everyone a chance to come in contact with Krsna. If one is fortunate, he becomes intimately related with this movement. Then, by the grace of Krsna, one’s life becomes successful. Everyone has dormant krsna-bhakti, love for Krsna, and in the association of good devotees, that love is revealed. As stated in Caitanya-caritamrta: nitya-siddha krsna-prema ‘sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya [Cc. madhya 22.107] Dormant devotional service to Krsna is within everyone. Simply by associating with devotees, hearing their good instructions and chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, dormant love for Krsna is awakened. In this way one acquires the seed of devotional service. Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija.” Prabhupada: Then? Then? No, it is not finished? Next verse? Hari-sauri: mali hana kare sei bija aropana sravana-kirtana-jale karaye secana [Cc. Madhya 19.152] “When a person receives the seed of devotional service, he should take care of it by becoming a gardener and sowing the seed in his heart. If he waters the seed gradually by the process of sravana and kirtana (hearing and chanting), the seed will begin to sprout.” Purport: “To live with devotees or to live in a temple means to associate with the sravana-kirtana process. Sometimes neophyte devotees think that they can continue the sravana-kirtana process without worshiping the Deity, but the execution of sravana-kirtana is meant for highly developed devotees like Haridasa Thakura, who engaged in the sravana-kirtana process without worshiping the Deity. However, one should not falsely imitate Haridasa Thakura and abandon Deity worship just to try to engage in sravana-kirtana. This is not possible for neophyte devotees. The word guru-prasada indicates that the spiritual master is very merciful in bestowing the boon of devotional service upon the disciple. That is the best possible gift the spiritual master has to offer. Those with a background of pious life are eligible to receive life’s supreme benefit, and to bestow this benefit, the Supreme Personality of Godhead sends His representative to impart His mercy. Endowed with the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master distributes the mercy to those who are elevated and pious. Thus the spiritual master trains his disciples to render devotional service unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is called guru-krpa. It is krsna-prasada, Krsna’s mercy, that He sends a bona fide spiritual master to the deserving disciple. By the mercy of Krsna, one meets the bona fide spiritual master, and by the mercy of the spiritual master, the disciple is fully trained in the devotional service of the Lord. Bhakti-lata-bija means ‘the seed of devotional service.’ Everything has an original cause, or seed. For any idea, program, plan or device, there is first of all the contemplation of the plan, and that is called bija, or the seed. The methods, rules and regulations by which one is perfectly trained in devotional service constitute the bhakti-lata-bija, or the seed of devotional service. This bhakti-lata-bija is received from the spiritual master by the grace of Krsna. Other seeds are called anyabhilasa-bija, karma-bija and jnana-bija. If one is not fortunate enough to receive the bhakti-lata-bija from the spiritual master, he instead cultivates the seeds of karma-bija, jnana-bija, or political and social or philanthropic bija. However, bhakti-lata-bija is different from these other bijas. Bhakti-lata-bija can be received only through the mercy of the spiritual master. Therefore one has to satisfy the spiritual master to get bhakti-lata-bija (yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah **). Bhakti-lata-bija is the origin of devotional service. Unless one satisfies the spiritual master, he gets the bija, or root cause, of karma, jnana and yoga without the benefit of devotional service. However, one who is faithful to his spiritual master gets the bhakti-lata-bija. This bhakti-lata-bija is received when one is initiated by the bona fide spiritual master. After receiving the spiritual master’s mercy, one must repeat his instructions, and this is called sravana-kirtana—hearing and chanting. One who has not properly heard from the spiritual master or who does not follow the regulative principles is not fit for chanting (kirtana). This is explained in Bhagavad-gita (2.41): vyavasayatmika buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. One who has not listened carefully to the instructions of the spiritual master is unfit to chant or preach the cult of devotional service. One has to water the bhakti-lata-bija after receiving instructions from the spiritual master.” I remember in Hawaii, this section here, it says a person is fortified by both Krsna and the spiritual master, and you said that Krsna gives you the weapon and the spiritual master sharpens it, the weapon of knowledge, and in that way we can become free from material bondage. Prabhupada: The classes should be regularly held. Those who are engaged in the field work, then let them work, but woman or others, they should hear in the class. They should attend. Bhagavan: There is regular class for everyone in the afternoon after prasadam. Prabhupada: That’s nice. What they are saying now? (kirtana heard from downstairs) Bhagavan: Downstairs? “Haribol.” People cannot understand how just by chanting enthusiastic kirtana so many problems can be solved. Prabhupada: Yes. What they understand, all rascals? Wasting time. Going to the moon planet, going to the Mars planet. Why? What you will gain? Still they are going. Simply spending money. In Bengal it is called ostadi. Ostadi, in English? One who places himself as very intelligent leader. What is called in one word? Bhagavan: Presumptuous? Prabhupada: Presumptions? Bhagavan: Presumes he’s something that he’s… Prabhupada: No, it is a very nice word. Hari-sauri: An imposter? Prabhupada: Imposter is falsely. It is not exactly false. Beginning with “p.” Do you find there teacher? Teachers, other things? Hari-sauri: Teacher? Prabhupada: Teacher, and other synonyms. Find out the teacher. They have got so many synonyms. Hari-sauri: Teacher. “Educator, instructor, preceptor, master, tutor, coach, schoolmaster, schoolmistress, schoolmarm, pedagogue.” Prabhupada: Pedagogue, yes, this word. Hari-sauri: Pedagogy, how do you pronounce this word? Pedagogue. Prabhupada: This word, now you see what is the pedagogue in dictionary. Pedigree. Pedagogue—pedagogue or predagogue? Hari-sauri: Pedagogue. Here we are. “Pedagogue: schoolmaster, teacher.” That’s all he gives. “Pedagogy: science of teaching.” Bhagavan: “Employing pedantry.” Look up pedantry. It says, “Usually derogatory.” Hari-sauri: Oh, “Pedant—one who overrates booklearning or technical knowledge or insists on strict adherence to formal rules. One always possessed by theory doctrinaire(?).” Prabhupada: Yes, this word. Hari-sauri: Pedant. Prabhupada: Pedagogue? Bhagavan: Pedagogue is the first, yes. Prabhupada: What is the spelling? Hari-sauri: P-e-d-a-g-o-g-u-e. Prabhupada: Pedagogue. Not pedi, but peda. Hari-sauri: Pedagogue. Prabhupada: So they are going on, pedagogue. Hari-sauri: And the other one is pedant, pedant. One who overrates booklearning. Prabhupada: Pedantry, there is a… Our Harikesa was speaking that if they do not say there is life in Mars, then their whole propaganda will fail. Hari-sauri: Yes, I was saying that this morning. Prabhupada: This time, if they say that there is no life in the Mars, they’ll never get next chance, he said. I think it is meaningful. Bhagavan: It will substantiate our claim. Prabhupada: No, our claim intelligent. They are loitering. Our claim is that they do not know anything about that. All foolish propaganda. But their position is that unless they say that there is life, then this false propaganda will no longer run on. We are certain that they cannot go there, neither is it possible to understand what is there, simply imagination. We do not give any credit. Hari-sauri: You said you had some plan? For the land here? When we came in, you were saying you had some plan for the land. Prabhupada: Plan is that we have got woods. Cut the woods, make small cottages, and engage them for growing fruits, flowers, grains, and make the complete arrangement nicely. Water… Hari-sauri: Irrigation. Prabhupada: In this way make it ever green. Bhagavan: There was a question about the cows, that at what point should the calf be separated from the mother. Because sometimes when the calf is separated, the mother, she cries. Prabhupada: No, they should not be taken away. Bhagavan: Shouldn’t be. Hari-sauri: I think in all our farms they do that. Bhagavan: I heard in New Vrindaban they took them away very early. Hari-sauri: The problem is that the calves drink so much milk that they become very sick, so they have to separate. Prabhupada: Therefore they should not be allowed always. Once in a day, that’s all. Hari-sauri: Oh. Prabhupada: Not too much allowed, but once. At least while milking they should be allowed to drink little milk, and that will encourage the mother to deliver more milk. Hari-sauri: Oh. At the same time they’re milking the cow, the calf can come. Prabhupada: Yes. They can bring it milk. And while milking, the calf may be standing before the mother. Hari-sauri: They do that in India. Prabhupada: So she will not be sorry. Completely separation is not good. And after birth at least for one week the calf should be allowed. Because after this giving birth the milk is not fit for human consumption. The calf should not be allowed to eat more, but at the same time the mother must see once, twice, then it will be all right. Of course, we are born in big, big towns, we do not know, but I know this is the process. In Allahabad I was keeping cow, there was facility. Bhagavan: I don’t think our farms are doing like that. In New Vrindaban they do? Hari-sauri: What, letting the calves come? I don’t think so. You can write a letter to… The whole system’s so perfect, it’s completely satisfying in every respect. Prabhupada: And if you make others dissatisfied for your pleasure, that is sinful. You should act in such a way that nobody is dissatisfied. Then there is balance. Hari-sauri: Expert management. Prabhupada: You have got puffed rice? Hari-sauri: They may have some in the kitchen, I can check. They have flat rice. Prabhupada: No. Hari-sauri: Puffed rice. This Chavana-prash, it says five to ten grams every morning with milk. Prabhupada: With milk. Five to ten grams. Hari-sauri: Yes, that’s like a heaped spoonful. I think that’s about what you’re getting there. Prabhupada: Whatever we take, that is five to ten grams? Hari-sauri: Approximately. Maybe a little more. Prabhupada: How much milk? It is not… Hari-sauri: Doesn’t say, it just says with milk. It’s like according to taste. Prabhupada: So in the morning. That’s all right. Hari-sauri: I’ll go and find out about this… Prabhupada: Puffed rice. [break] Bhagavan: Zucchini? Hari-sauri: This is zucchini? This? Bhagavan: Yes. We should show Prabhupada each thing that we’re doing. [break] Devotee (1): These are flowers which decorate the vases, they are very tall. They put in the vases every day on the altar, Krsna, and this morning, taking garlands made out of this, smells very nice. Also the carnation. It was the one I gave you yesterday on your walk. It has a very nice scent. Prabhupada: No, you have got this cucumber? Devotee (1): Yes, there is cucumber. Prabhupada: So if fresh, why not eat? Hari-sauri: We have fresh cucumber every day. Prabhupada: But when I take it does not appear to be fresh. Devotee (1): These are bulk cucumbers. Devotee (2): This is fresh cucumber from the garden. Prabhupada: Yes. Devotee (2): Tomorrow. Prabhupada: The cucumber which is supplied to me, that is not fresh. Devotee (1): It is from the market. We were not aware that they had cucumber in the garden, because I asked… Prabhupada: You are not aware? Why not? Devotee (1): I was not aware. Hari-sauri: He’s our supplier. Prabhupada: At least one cucumber, and this chili, you can make a nice salad. You say that there’s no peas? Devotee (1): They are just ready actually, Srila Prabhupada. They’re just ready for picking now. Prabhupada: Oh. Devotee (1): Beans you have had every day from the garden. Hari-sauri: Beans are very stringy. Prabhupada: Oh, so many fresh things. Devotee (1): From the greenhouse they are actually. Hari-sauri: What is this? Devotee (1): That is zucchini, only very small. (laughter) We let them get big to feed so many devotees. Prabhupada: Very nice, very fresh, so many things can be done. Hari-sauri: This is zucchini? Prabhupada: This called, this is, I do not know what you call. It is called komura.(?) It is very nice. Hari-sauri: We used to call them marrows. Devotee (1): Tomato. It’s an Italian type of tomato, and there’s another one. Prabhupada: This is apple? Devotee (1): Yes, that’s for cooking. Hari-sauri: Cabbage. Devotee (1): Pears. Bhagavan: They’re growing chick peas. They’re not ripe yet. Devotee (1): You can see inside, inside the pod. They have to go yellow on the plant and then we pick them and then put them in sacks for the winter. Bhagavan: We had a whole field planted of chickpea. They’re very expensive here, so it’s nice. Prabhupada: So you have got immediately some pods? Devotee (1): And also you have been taking the fresh coriander, dhane. Prabhupada: Oh, nice. So, this pod? Devotee (1): Peas, beans. Prabhupada: You have got some? Devotee (1): Yes, plenty, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Bring all them. (laughter) Hari-sauri: He supplies us every day. What’s this? Woman devotee: This is lemon spinach. Devotee (1): A type of sour spinach. Bhagavan: Tastes like a lemon. Prabhupada: Yes. Very good. Bhagavan: Anything else hidden in here? This is our apple? Woman devotee: Sweet peas. Devotee (1): There’s many varieties of flowers in the gardens, many flowers for garlands for almost the next two months. Prabhupada: Grow more, more, all these fruits, flowers. Bhagavan: This is from ours? Woman devotee: Yes. Devotee (1): Rose. We are growing 2,500… [break] Prabhupada: Go and live happily. This is a… Devotee (1): Pear. Prabhupada: You have got puffed rice? So bring some this pod. I shall, with puffed rice, I shall take this. Hari-sauri: How do you want them cooking? Prabhupada: Yes, I’ll take it. Let them bring. Hari-sauri: Bring some now? (laughter) Bhagavan: Glories to Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break] Give Mandakini these peas. Tomorrow she can utilize it for kacuri. I’ve asked her to make kacuri. Let them use this. Hari-sauri: They must have only just come ripe just this last week. Prabhupada: So many things are growing. Puffed rice, you simply make it hot, dry, take it away, and then take some of the peas, put very little ghee and masala and some peas, fry it nicely. Then put little water and cover it. When it is soft, you can add with it little the green chilis. Hari-sauri: These big ones? Prabhupada: Yes. Not very much, but little. Hari-sauri: These are not very hot, the big ones. The small ones are the hot ones, but we don’t have any of those left. Prabhupada: That’s all right. Hari-sauri: Then mix them or keep them separate? Prabhupada: No, keep separate. They should be very soft. And the puffed rice hot. Then mix with little ghee and masala. Then, I’ll take little. Hari-sauri: Jaya. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)