Room Conversation Prabhupada: There is no arrangement for producing vegetable? Mahamsa: We just finished one harvest, Prabhupada, and now the second harvest is already in the ground. Prabhupada: So what kind of harvest? You finish and then you have to wait six months for the second. Mahamsa: Now we are designing one plot for continuous… Prabhupada: Hm, so this… Where is Tejas Maharaja? So you immediately arrange for producing vegetables. Mahamsa: Yes. Prabhupada: No, I’m asking Tejas. Hamsaduta: Here is Tejas, here. Prabhupada: Oh, here he is. So, why don’t you do that? Tejas: Yes. I’ll make up the scheme today. It should be that you have continuous crop. You plant seeds one week… But again they have made the same mistake with these cauliflower and cabbage. Prabhupada: Well, they mistake… You say, “They mistake.” Who are “they”? You say you do mistake. Don’t say, “they.” This is bureaucracy, “they.” You are all “they.” Anyway, whatever is done, immediately make arrangement. And this is one thing. And the other thing, I came here that there will be festival and prasadam distribution. Why this is not begun? Mahamsa: Till yesterday there was being marriages in the city. Now, from today, the pandals are free. Prabhupada: Because there are marriages our program will be cancelled? Mahamsa: No, but the person who gives us the pandal… It’s supposed to start today, Prabhupada, their program. They have been advertising in the villages about the prasadam distribution this evening, so the stage and the samiyana will be coming today and the pots are coming today. So we have all the grains and everything. We can start the prasadam distribution this evening. Prabhupada: So you’ll keep, come in charge. So do this also immediately. And the next is that Bhogilal wants to come here. So bring him immediately. What is the difficulty of that house? Mahamsa: All the plastering inside is finished now. Prabhupada: Everything, whatever is finished… Mahamsa: Painting has to be done. Prabhupada: Eh? Mahamsa: The toilets are working, all the connections are finished, and only thing is the painting has to be done today. Prabhupada: So painting also can be… Without painting, we can go there. What is the wrong problem? Mahamsa: It looks a little shabby. If we wait for one more day it will look much better. Prabhupada: So one more day we shall wait, but tomorrow we must go there. Mahamsa: Yes, tomorrow we can go there. Prabhupada: So arrange for bringing Bhogilal tomorrow. Mahamsa: Yes, tomorrow afternoon or evening we can arrange. Prabhupada: No. Yes, so immediately arrange for that. He is very important man. If he comes you can all mature consultation about this female, about managing. He is practically doing. He has one thousand acres of land. Mahamsa: Oh, yes, it’s not a joke. Prabhupada: And he is practical business man. So immediately… And besides that, he is already sympathetic. He is becoming interested more. So he can do so many things for us. He is a very nice man. So he volunteered to come here. So bring him immediately. So arrange. From tomorrow we go there. If it is not finished, then he may be given that place. I am at here. I shall stay. Or he can be given this room; I can go there. In this way… Because the doors are not yet fitted. Mahamsa: Yes, that’s the main problem. Prabhupada: But there are so many main problems. So at least in my side the doors are fitted. So I can go there, and he can stay here. Anyway, either there or here, arrange to bring him immediately. He will go away by the twelfth. So he may stay here at least for one week. Mahamsa: One week. Prabhupada: Tell him like that. Mahamsa: Yes. And the cooking will be done by his men. Prabhupada: Yes. Mahamsa: Because if he comes his cook will also come. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. His cook and servant, yes. So make this arrangement so that everything should be inaugurated tomorrow, not more than that. So You have to purchase vegetable and then make a big, big scheme. Bambharambhe(?) laghu-kriya. Arambha, very big, and action, very little. And ask some of our devotees to collect all the gobars and bring here. I want gobar. There so much gobars scattered here and there. Take one basket and two men may go and collect all of them, put it in the sunshine. So nowadays sunshine is so bright. You can have so many things exposed to sunshine. All vitamins. So you immediately make program for vegetable, fruits, flower, surrounding this, immediately. So how Bhogilal will be brought here? Mahamsa: In his car. Prabhupada: In his car. So make arrangement. Either we both of us, we may stay there or one here, one there. Mahamsa: And the secretaries can stay here. Prabhupada: Secretaries, as they are staying. I think one can manage that. There is no difficulty. [break] So all the devotees here, they are all required there? Mahamsa: No. Prabhupada: Then why… So the temple work is not suffering? Mahamsa: It is. Prabhupada: Then why you are keeping so many devotees here? Mahamsa: The main problem now is there were three pujaris, and one of them is here, and he doesn’t want to go back to pujari work, so we have to find… Prabhupada: Eh? Mahamsa: He doesn’t want to go back to do pujari work, so there’s only two pujaris and they were just complaining yesterday that it’s very difficult to do so much Deity worship. Prabhupada: So why? Why he does not want to go? Mahamsa: He wants to go traveling for a while. Prabhupada: So that cannot be. So traveling means you have asked him to…? Hamsaduta: No, I haven’t asked him any… It’s the same problem. Whenever I go somewhere there are always certain men; they want to go. Prabhupada: No. Nobody can go without sanction. This is sense gratification, “I want to.” This is not good. Jagadisa: The temple right now is in lack of a full time manager. Mahamsa Maharaja spends most of his time here, and I can see that the temple management is not going right. Prabhupada: Yes. Not very nice. So do you require…? But you also do not remain here. Mahamsa: No. Prabhupada: Then you are not there; you are not here. Then where you are? Mahamsa: No, all these last, last two weeks I’ve been working on this house and if I’m not here then… Like yesterday I was not here, and the workers didn’t work properly. Then I made them work in the night. When I came back, I saw that they have not… Prabhupada: So that means everywhere, if you are not there, then everything is gone to hell. Then what is this management? You cannot be everywhere. That is not… You are not Krsna. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam [Bg. 18.61]. Mahamsa: I mean, the problem that came up in the temple, it was going on okay before, but then there was suddenly so many more devotees that came. Half of them were here, half of them were there, and they were moving around every day. So the temple managers were confused. They didn’t know how much, how many devotees… Prabhupada: No, temple… Who is temple manager? Mahamsa: Anandamaya is managing now. He’s very good. He can do it nicely but he was confused because there were devotees… Prabhupada: Now there is no confusion. Immediately they can go, all the devotees. They are not required. What is the use? Jagadisa: That temple is a big, big project. Anandamaya is not competent to handle the whole thing. He doesn’t have the respect of the other members, enough. And I don’t see him taking charge anymore. If you ask him to get something done he says, “Well…” He always makes some excuse. This was my experience while we were there. Prabhupada: Who is that man? Mahamsa: Anandamaya. He has been here since four years, and he knows practically everybody in Hyderabad. He was working with me all the time. Prabhupada: So then why does he not go there? Why he’s here? Mahamsa: He’s not here; he’s there. Prabhupada: Oh. So the devotees may go there. They have no business here to stay, so many. Why? They can return back. Mahamsa: Yes. Prabhupada: Yes. Immediately. Mahamsa: Yes. Jagadisa: They need a head, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Hm? Jagadisa: They need a head. Prabhupada: A head means you have to train head. If you cut head, then how there will be head? Neither tail, neither head. Head means you have to train them, head. There is no need of so many men here. Why? Jagadisa: Many of the men who are here are on Hamsaduta’s party. Prabhupada: So do they require here? Hamsaduta: I sent all the men here because Mahamsa promised that there would be a program lined up but there is no program. That’s why they’re just… Now they all want to go, and if they can go I can send them. They are ready to go. They don’t want to stay. Prabhupada: So? Mahamsa: The problem is that the programs I didn’t arrange because the devotees were not regular in coming. I didn’t know when they were all coming. So if I arrange a program that means my men… Prabhupada: But therefore the meeting is here. Do here now. Mahamsa: Yes, now it can be done. But I couldn’t do… Prabhupada: So it can be done. Why can you…? What? When it will be done, do then. Mahamsa: Yes. Prabhupada: Don’t make future promise. You do it immediately. Make program. But settle up when it will begin, when it is right. Here work is going on. That Mrtyu, he cannot… No? Murti. So he cannot manage without him? Mahamsa: He can. He has to be a little more acquainted with the people. He has to… Prabhupada: He is here from the last June. He is not acquainted? Mahamsa: He’s only here since about ten days. He’s not here for a long time and he’s not very forceful in making them do the work. Prabhupada: So who will be forceful? Mahamsa: He can be trained. I’m training him. Prabhupada: So that training… Everyone is under training; then who will be head? If in old age you have to be trained up, then when they will be trained up? So what is the…, to sit down silently? That’s all? Mahamsa: We’ll send the parties out… Prabhupada: Make. Make immediately program, where to go. So why you are not making? Mahamsa: Now? Here? Prabhupada: Yes, make program immediately. Write what to do. Mahamsa: I was thinking one bus should go immediately to Kathinagar because they want to have program there and they are ready to arrange it and we can collect some money immediately for the expenses which are going on now. Prabhupada: So go. Go. Mahamsa: So if you want, we could get one bus and few devotees can go on that. Hamsaduta: But where is this place? Mahamsa: Kathinagar. It’s in Andhra Pradesh, Visakhapatnam near Waisac. Hamsaduta: You have to make a program that on the way… Not that we drive one thousand miles to go to one program. That’s not practical. Every fifty miles or so there should be some program. Mahamsa: That’s what I mean. That whole course is… Andhra course is the richest area in Andhra Pradesh. Hamsaduta: Yes, like that. Mahamsa: They give very nicely. We have had programs there, Prabhupada, since three years. We’ve collected lakhs of rupees from there and thousands of books have been distributed there. Prabhupada: This I have heard even. Mahamsa: You have heard, yeah. Prabhupada: So go there. What is the…? Make this. Mahamsa: They can start today? The boys are ready. They want to move but it’s just the leaders which have not decided on getting it done. Prabhupada: So decide now. What is difficulty? Mahamsa: If you can give one bus they can go immediately. And another party can go to Nagpur and start arranging for the program there on the 25th. They can do nagara-kirtanas, book distribution, and arrange for the program on the 25th and one bus can go to Kakinagar. So all the boys will be out and be engaged. And the boys from Hyderabad should go back to Hyderabad and get into the program there. There’s so much work to be done in Hyderabad. They’re suffering a lot. Jagadisa: What about the program here? Mahamsa: The program here doesn’t need too many people. Only five, six people is enough. Hamsaduta: (aside:) Close the door. Mahamsa: Because the program here is just needing supervision. Jagadisa: No, but I mean kirtana, constant kirtana, and prasadam. Mahamsa: Well, if you want constant kirtana, then we have to have more devotees here. Prabhupada: Constant kirtana? Who says constant? Jagadisa: Well, we have to engage the villagers. Prabhupada: Yes. So they’ll come in the evening. We cannot be always… Hamsaduta: Why not? German Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, we want to go nagara-sankirtana to the villages and announce the program. Prabhupada: Go. Well, go. German Devotee: But we cannot go because Candrodaya, he doesn’t want to go. Mahamsa: Take Rama-ksetra. He knows. German Devotee: Take as much as possible devotees? Hamsaduta: Yes. German Devotee: OK. Prabhupada: So write what you are going to do immediately. Write. Write the names, who is going where. Mahamsa: (indistinct) …they will leave? Hamsaduta: I just wrote down all the leaders. Atmavidya, Punyasloka, Rajasara. Otherwise I can go anywhere without fixing a program. I can go to any city. If no one is going to fix the program, I can go anywhere. That I was doing already. I came here because you promised me that in every city you know people, you can fix program. So fix them and then we’ll go there. Otherwise there is no need to send anyone. We’ll just go there and stay in a dharmasala. Prabhupada: So why not go, one or two men, to fix up program? Hamsaduta: In Nagpur, a city like Nagpur, you say you have members. Send some man who knows them from your temple. He makes some arrangement. We go there, make a nice program. Mahamsa: Okay. Prabhupada: So who is going Nagpur? Write that. Mahamsa: Vasughosa and who from yours? Hamsaduta: I’ll see later who goes. Anyone can go with him if he knows what to do. Mahamsa: Someone who can speak Hindi. Prabhupada: You cannot expect from his party anyone speaking Hindi. Mahamsa: He has many… He has a good Rajasthani boy who is very good with Vasughosa. He’s in Hyderabad now. Hamsaduta: Who is that? Mahamsa: Vasanta Krsna, or somebody. They can take a van? Hamsaduta: No need of van. Mahamsa: Well, if they’re going to have to arrange a program in eight days, they have to run around to see so many people, get leaflets printed, get banners painted, see municipal people, see police people. Prabhupada: For that reason van is required? Hamsaduta: No, he can do everything by… Mahamsa: They have extra vans here. Hamsaduta: It’s not practical. I tell you, these vans… It’s not practical to take these vans and drive them around the cities. It’s very dangerous. It’s not practical. It’s easier to go by rickshaw. Mahamsa: What about a small one? Hamsaduta: Yes, the small ones. I mean, it’s easier to go by rickshaw. It’s a fact, you know. We had this experience… Prabhupada: No, there is local bus. For one, two men van running is not good. Mahamsa: So one bus party goes immediately to Kakinagar with maybe Atmavidya or whoever… Hamsaduta: Atmavidya. Mahamsa: Atmavidya can lead that party. And one party goes to Nagpur as soon as that is fixed. And to fix that program, Vasughosa and Vasanta Krsna can go there. Prabhupada: Yes. Mahamsa: Then Hyderabad temple, devotees should return to their services in Hyderabad, and Godruma should return to Deity worship. A crew of eight devotees will stay here to do the program over here. Prabhupada: Hm. And Hamsaduta will stay here. Mahamsa: Yes. Prabhupada: That’s all. And you begin your digging. Tejas: Maharaja, you should tell the other persons who I’ll have to work with that whatever I suggest, that they should do like that. Prabhupada: But you take our ordinary laborer. Tejas: But they should know. Otherwise if I come they may object, “Mahamsa Swami has to tell me.” Just like I told this Yuthagraja something. He said, “I have to ask Mahamsa Swami.” I told Murti something. He said, “Only if Mahamsa Swami says, then I can do.” Mahamsa: No, no. Tejas: No, but you should make it clear when we have a meeting. Mahamsa: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. We’ll have a meeting with all the people on the farm. Tejas: You don’t have to… Then I’ll see that you have vegetables. Prabhupada: And these village men or any laborer, as you proposed, if they want, they can stay. We shall give him food, shelter, as well as some remuneration. Mahamsa: Yes. Like that many people… Tejas: We bring a few. I can talk to them Telegu, and I explain and see who likes. We can give them some… Prabhupada: There is a… He will be in charge of growing this, and this way do everything. And you go to Bhogilal or call. Bring him here and I’ll transfer there. I have no objection. Immediately. There is no need of painting. Mahamsa: No need of painting. Prabhupada: No. Why there is use? We can manage there. Bhogilal may come, and he may be given here or wherever possible. Mahamsa: I’ll ask the carpenter to try and fix those doors by this evening in Bhogilal Patel’s room. The inside doors are already finished. Only those curved doors take time. So I’ll… Prabhupada: So you have made, cut fashion? Mahamsa: Pardon? Prabhupada: Fashionable? Mahamsa: Yes, it looks a little nice. Prabhupada: All right. So that room, if it is done, it is all right. If not, this room and that room. That’s all. Better bring him. He’ll be very useful. Mahamsa: Yes. Prabhupada: That’s all right. Purchase one canopy instead of renting. We shall have to continue this program. Mahamsa: Right now it will be difficult to purchase because we don’t have enough money. Prabhupada: What is the money? How much? Mahamsa: We don’t have enough money. It will cost at least a thousand rupees or more, the whole thing, at least a thousand, maybe more. We don’t have so much money right now. Prabhupada: So I’ll pay you thousand. But… You pay me the rent, I’ll pay you thousand. Yes. What is the rent per day? Mahamsa: I’ll get it free, without rent. Prabhupada: Then don’t purchase. Mahamsa: That member, he has a store. He gives… Prabhupada: So then what is the use of purchase? If you get free, no need of purchasing. So make this arrangement immediately. Then go and we shall go out. Is it clear? No. Not? Mahamsa: Yes, it’s light. Prabhupada: I shall wash my teeth and go. Tejas: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
December 7, 1976, Hyderabad