Room Conversation Prabhupada: …and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire. Hari-sauri: No, they can’t stop this movement. It’s not possible to stop this movement now. Prabhupada: No, it is not possible. That I’m certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs) Hari-sauri: Will things get physically violent? Prabhupada: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn’t matter. Hari-sauri: We should… If we have to, we can… Prabhupada: Oh, yes. We must… Self-protection must be there. Hari-sauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to… Prabhupada: Fight! Hari-sauri: Then we’ll have to fight. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them. Hari-sauri: Yes. If we don’t get protection from the government, then what can we do? Prabhupada: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that “Here is deprogrammer and kidnapper,” kill him. Finish! Hari-sauri: And if we go to court, then it’s self-defense. Prabhupada: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes. Hari-sauri: Yes. Definitely. Prabhupada: That should be done. Hari-sauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give ’em a good hiding. Prabhupada: There is civil war. Why not this? Hari-sauri: Yes. This is… This is a big fight now. Prabhupada: Yes. Hari-sauri: (laughs) You’re the world’s greatest revolutionary. (Prabhupada laughs) [break] Hari-sauri: Now that we’re being attacked like this physically… Prabhupada: So we must attack them also. Hari-sauri: Should we actually have a training program so that our… Prabhupada: No. Hari-sauri: … we’d know how to defend? Like you were saying varnasrama… Prabhupada: Yes. Hari-sauri: …system there must be ksatriya and everything like that. Prabhupada: Yes. Hari-sauri: Should we actually start to… Prabhupada: Train. Hari-sauri: …train up some of our men so they know how to fight? Prabhupada: Yes, why not? Hari-sauri: ’Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don’t… They’re not… Prabhupada: They are not trained up. Hari-sauri: Trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional gundas. Prabhupada: That…? What is that? “Kivat?” They practice self- defense? Hari-sauri: Karate. Prabhupada: Karate. Hari-sauri: There’s different forms of self-defense. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
February 19, 1977, Mayapura